[Brmlab] Home automation - Z-wave vs ZigBee

Robert Vojcik robert at vojcik.net
Tue Mar 18 10:14:08 CET 2014


Pokial sa rozhodnete pouzit pilight, tak venujte pozornost stranke s
odporucaniami: http://wiki.pilight.org/doku.php/advice

Ale nic nieje nemozne :)


2014-03-18 10:05 GMT+01:00 Robert Vojcik <robert at vojcik.net>:

> Ja neviem mozno ze to bude offtopic ak som nepochopil temu tak sa
> ospravedlnujem.
>
> Ale ked som riesil ovladanie zasuviek na dialku najlepsim riesenim mi
> prislo kupit si 433 Mhz vysielac/prijimac z ebay alebo z ciny (investicia
> do 150 Kc).
> Napriklad:
> http://dx.com/p/433mhz-rf-transmitter-receiver-link-kit-green-221225
>
> Nasledne som pouzival najlacnejsie spotrebice (zasuvky, vypinace,
> stmievace, cidla teploty) pracujuce na 433 Mhz (ceny tiez radovo v 100
> korunach), maju ich vsade mozne.
>
> Co sa tyka samotneho softveru nieje problem si to nabastlit pripadne
> vyuzit nieco hotove: http://www.pilight.org/
>
> Z-wave a podobne mi prisli zbytocne drahe a obmedzujuce.
>
>
>
>
> 2014-03-18 9:07 GMT+01:00 Rado1 <rado at rado1.cz>:
>
> Kedze sa chytili zatial len "nasi", budem pokracovat po nasom...
>>
>> ZigBee (pripadne najrozsirenejsia implementacia XBee) ma zaujalo uz pred
>> vyse rokom. Velky vyber modulov, dostupna dokumentacia pre koderov...
>>
>> Kedze s jednocipakmi som sa naposledy hral pred 20 rokmi, tazko sa mi bude
>> naskakovat naspat do tohoto vlaku. Hranie s *duinami ma zatial nelaka, tak
>> isto hromadny nakup Rpi ku kazdej zasuvke.
>>
>> Ked som hladal hotove vyrobky, pre ZigBee toho moc nie je a ked je, je to
>> vacsinou pre amerikanske zasuvky.
>>
>> Z-wave som tak akosi prehliadal, pretoze som bol zahackovany na ZigBee.
>> Az som natrafil na tento produkt:
>> http://www.fibaro.com/en/the-fibaro-system/wall-plug
>>
>> Z mojho pohladu je to killer aplikacia, pretoze nemusim rozmontovavat
>> ziadne zasuvky (aj ked to mi ziaden problem nerobi). Mozem zacat prakticky
>> len s meranim spotreby 2-3 spotrebicov v domacnosti (a to je moj primarny
>> ciel "home automation"). Ked som nasledne hladal veci okolo Z-wave, nasiel
>> som aj ine vyrobky (spinace/stmievace do vypinacovych krabic, zasuviek,
>> dverne snimace - dokonca kombinovane s inymi velicinami) a ich ponuka mi
>> pride lepsia - hlavne pre nase europske nasadenie - ako u ZigBee.
>> Dokonca aj USB riadiacich modulov kompatibilnych s Linuxom mi pride lepsia
>> ponuka.
>>
>> To, ze cipy vyraba jeden vendor - ano, pohladu "free world" - je zle
>> a hnusne a kryptofasisticke, ale zasa mam vacsiu istotu, ze mi vyrobky
>> viacerych vendorov budu spolupracovat (co u ZigBee vraj az taka
>> samozrejmost nie je). Je mi jasne, ze si musim davat pozor, aby som kupil
>> vyrobok s nasim RF pasmom.
>>
>> Teraz mi vlastne ide len o to, ci som nahodou v tej zaplave hype
>> prezentacii k Z-wave vyrobkom neprehliadol nieco, kvoli comu si neskor
>> budem buchat hlavu o stenu (slabe sifrovanie, silne rusenie s TV a
>> pod,...). Takze ma zaujimalo, ci uz niekto z vas nevychytal slepe cestu
>> a usetrim mi cas, peniaze a nastvanost mojej manzelky. :-)))
>>
>> Diky.
>>
>> P.S. Som si spomenul, ze zatial ma zarazilo len jedno - v navodoch k
>> Z-wave
>> vyrobkom je vzdy parovanie riesenie ako: vytiahnut riadiaci USB kluc z
>> PCdla/servra, zmacknut na nom tlacitko, zmacknut tlacitko na novom module
>> a
>> cakat, kym ledky neohlasia sparovanie. To neexistuje ziadne softverove
>> discovery bez nutnosti downtime uz existujucej infrastruktury?
>>
>> --
>> Rado1
>> rado (at) rado1.cz
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:39:44PM +0100, Vitezslav.Zak wrote:
>> #> Dne 17.3.2014 22:54, Ondrej Mikle napsal(a):
>> #> >On 03/17/2014 11:28 AM, Rado1 wrote:
>> #> >>Hi guys.
>> #> >>
>> #> >>Does anybody tried some of these protocols for home automation?
>> #> >>I have read a lot of comparisons and don't know what way to go.
>> #> >>
>> #> >>I'm not good in HW development therefore I will not build my own
>> devices.
>> #> >>My plans are build existing devices, control them through some USB
>> controller
>> #> >>connected to my Linux home server.
>> #> >We've bought few zigbee boards, they should have fairly large range.
>> I don't
>> #> >know about the Z-wave protocol.
>> #> >
>> #> >The zigbee boards' main problem was that they required some
>> proprietary windows
>> #> >utility to program them, which acutally does it via UART, so it's
>> fairly simple
>> #> >to sniff the commands. They may be already (unofficially) documented
>> somewhere.
>> #> >
>> #> >Second problem was that the ones we got a fairly high failure rate (I
>> think 2-3
>> #> >out of 5 simply refused to be programmed). Not sure if it was just
>> bad luck.
>> #> >Maybe I could find them somewhere and bring it to brm for testing.
>> #>
>> #> Some vendors sell devices with a proprietary sw layer on top of
>> #> zigbee. Such devices might not work with others.
>> #>
>> #> Z-wave products *should* work flawlessly as any product marked as
>> #> z-wave compatible has to be certified by z-wave alliance.  There is
>> #> a shield board for raspi, called RaZberry, this is what I'm
>> #> planning to start with.
>> #>
>> #> V.
>> #>
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