From michal at tulacek.eu  Wed Dec  1 02:09:24 2010
From: michal at tulacek.eu (=?UTF-8?B?TWljaGFsIFR1bMOhxI1law==?=)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 02:09:24 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Prednaska "Legal primer" - zjisteni zajmu
Message-ID: <AANLkTinDmuR_72pX0YEgq6qcrodnSN6gWYudbxtoRvLa@mail.gmail.com>

Ahoj,

  nasel jsem ve wanted topics na wiki namet "Legal primer" s timto popisem:

Legal primer - Introduction to Czech copyright law, impact to daily
life in IT, open-source development and crypto/security research,
common misconceptions. Reality of software patents in EU. Interesting
changes in new civil code. Potential impact of ACTA. GNU GPL, and
other free licenses and czech law.

Byl by o podobnou prednasku zajem? Pokud ano, jaka temata vas
zajimaji, nemusite zustat jen u tech navrzenych (me treba napada el.
podpis jako zajimave tema), a zaroven, kolik toho vite? Aby nedoslo na
cimrmanovske "ja tady nebudu vykladat takove bezne trivialni pojmy
jako co je to parabridlice nebo ortobridlice, to proste predpokladam".
Tedy nakolik by se hodilo, aby prednaska obsahovala i uvod do pravniho
minima (napr. licence je smlouva, tak jak ma vlastne vypadat smlouva
obecne, cim se to ridi, jak to z nekoho vymlatit apod).

Michal Tul??ek


From stick at gk2.sk  Wed Dec  1 02:19:53 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 02:19:53 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Prednaska "Legal primer" - zjisteni zajmu
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinDmuR_72pX0YEgq6qcrodnSN6gWYudbxtoRvLa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinDmuR_72pX0YEgq6qcrodnSN6gWYudbxtoRvLa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimLjBEVv5z3MRSJ_H=5CWSZVi0OgRnoQPDgzqHJ@mail.gmail.com>

Jo byl by ...
On 1 Dec 2010 02:09, "Michal Tul??ek" <michal at tulacek.eu> wrote:
> Ahoj,
>
> nasel jsem ve wanted topics na wiki namet "Legal primer" s timto popisem:
>
> Legal primer - Introduction to Czech copyright law, impact to daily
> life in IT, open-source development and crypto/security research,
> common misconceptions. Reality of software patents in EU. Interesting
> changes in new civil code. Potential impact of ACTA. GNU GPL, and
> other free licenses and czech law.
>
> Byl by o podobnou prednasku zajem? Pokud ano, jaka temata vas
> zajimaji, nemusite zustat jen u tech navrzenych (me treba napada el.
> podpis jako zajimave tema), a zaroven, kolik toho vite? Aby nedoslo na
> cimrmanovske "ja tady nebudu vykladat takove bezne trivialni pojmy
> jako co je to parabridlice nebo ortobridlice, to proste predpokladam".
> Tedy nakolik by se hodilo, aby prednaska obsahovala i uvod do pravniho
> minima (napr. licence je smlouva, tak jak ma vlastne vypadat smlouva
> obecne, cim se to ridi, jak to z nekoho vymlatit apod).
>
> Michal Tul??ek
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
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From miroslav.ludvik at 4safety.cz  Wed Dec  1 04:12:31 2010
From: miroslav.ludvik at 4safety.cz (Miroslav Ludvik)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 04:12:31 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Prednaska "Legal primer" - zjisteni zajmu
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimLjBEVv5z3MRSJ_H=5CWSZVi0OgRnoQPDgzqHJ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinDmuR_72pX0YEgq6qcrodnSN6gWYudbxtoRvLa@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimLjBEVv5z3MRSJ_H=5CWSZVi0OgRnoQPDgzqHJ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CF5BD1F.1070301@4safety.cz>

U me taky, ale v nejakou prijatelnejsi (rozumej pozdejsi aspon od 7) hodinu.

Dne 1.12.2010 02:19, Pavol Rusnak napsal(a):
> Jo byl by ...
> 
> On 1 Dec 2010 02:09, "Michal Tul??ek" <michal at tulacek.eu
> <mailto:michal at tulacek.eu>> wrote:
>> Ahoj,
>>
>> nasel jsem ve wanted topics na wiki namet "Legal primer" s timto popisem:
>>
>> Legal primer - Introduction to Czech copyright law, impact to daily
>> life in IT, open-source development and crypto/security research,
>> common misconceptions. Reality of software patents in EU. Interesting
>> changes in new civil code. Potential impact of ACTA. GNU GPL, and
>> other free licenses and czech law.
>>
>> Byl by o podobnou prednasku zajem? Pokud ano, jaka temata vas
>> zajimaji, nemusite zustat jen u tech navrzenych (me treba napada el.
>> podpis jako zajimave tema), a zaroven, kolik toho vite? Aby nedoslo na
>> cimrmanovske "ja tady nebudu vykladat takove bezne trivialni pojmy
>> jako co je to parabridlice nebo ortobridlice, to proste predpokladam".
>> Tedy nakolik by se hodilo, aby prednaska obsahovala i uvod do pravniho
>> minima (napr. licence je smlouva, tak jak ma vlastne vypadat smlouva
>> obecne, cim se to ridi, jak to z nekoho vymlatit apod).
>>
>> Michal Tul??ek
>> _______________________________________________
>> Brmlab mailing list
>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz <mailto:Brmlab at brmlab.cz>
>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab



From czestmyr at gmail.com  Wed Dec  1 09:06:42 2010
From: czestmyr at gmail.com (Cestmir Houska)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 09:06:42 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Prednaska "Legal primer" - zjisteni zajmu
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinDmuR_72pX0YEgq6qcrodnSN6gWYudbxtoRvLa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinDmuR_72pX0YEgq6qcrodnSN6gWYudbxtoRvLa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinHE5yWKcRnEz-k-7+Vc3k66JurvbQm9py8+DTm@mail.gmail.com>

Cau,

je to super napad! Me by neco takovyho urcite zajimalo. Urcite bych ale
uvital
trochu zakladu, vzhledem k tomu, ze jsem se nikdy pravem v podstate
nezabyval.
Pocitam, ze mnozi (zvlaste studenti) na tom budou podobne...

Cestmir

2010/12/1 Michal Tul??ek <michal at tulacek.eu>

> Ahoj,
>
>  nasel jsem ve wanted topics na wiki namet "Legal primer" s timto popisem:
>
> Legal primer - Introduction to Czech copyright law, impact to daily
> life in IT, open-source development and crypto/security research,
> common misconceptions. Reality of software patents in EU. Interesting
> changes in new civil code. Potential impact of ACTA. GNU GPL, and
> other free licenses and czech law.
>
> Byl by o podobnou prednasku zajem? Pokud ano, jaka temata vas
> zajimaji, nemusite zustat jen u tech navrzenych (me treba napada el.
> podpis jako zajimave tema), a zaroven, kolik toho vite? Aby nedoslo na
> cimrmanovske "ja tady nebudu vykladat takove bezne trivialni pojmy
> jako co je to parabridlice nebo ortobridlice, to proste predpokladam".
> Tedy nakolik by se hodilo, aby prednaska obsahovala i uvod do pravniho
> minima (napr. licence je smlouva, tak jak ma vlastne vypadat smlouva
> obecne, cim se to ridi, jak to z nekoho vymlatit apod).
>
> Michal Tul??ek
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>
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From miroslav.ludvik at 4safety.cz  Wed Dec  1 09:15:21 2010
From: miroslav.ludvik at 4safety.cz (Miroslav Ludvik)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 09:15:21 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Prednaska "Legal primer" - zjisteni zajmu
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinHE5yWKcRnEz-k-7+Vc3k66JurvbQm9py8+DTm@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinDmuR_72pX0YEgq6qcrodnSN6gWYudbxtoRvLa@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinHE5yWKcRnEz-k-7+Vc3k66JurvbQm9py8+DTm@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CF60419.1010205@4safety.cz>

Mozna by nebylo od veci rozdelit do dvou casti
1) ten zaklad, co je to smlouva apod
2) samotna napln tykajici se licenci apod.

kdyz to bude v rozumny cas urcite prijdu.

Osobne bohuzel nemuzu ctvrtky a obecne si myslim, ze by to melo bejt od
19 hod nejdriv, protoze je mezi nami rada pracujicich, kteri nemaji
moznost utect z prace.

Lui

Dne 1.12.2010 09:06, Cestmir Houska napsal(a):
> Cau,
> 
> je to super napad! Me by neco takovyho urcite zajimalo. Urcite bych ale
> uvital
> trochu zakladu, vzhledem k tomu, ze jsem se nikdy pravem v podstate
> nezabyval.
> Pocitam, ze mnozi (zvlaste studenti) na tom budou podobne...
> 
> Cestmir
> 
> 2010/12/1 Michal Tul??ek <michal at tulacek.eu <mailto:michal at tulacek.eu>>
> 
>     Ahoj,
> 
>      nasel jsem ve wanted topics na wiki namet "Legal primer" s timto
>     popisem:
> 
>     Legal primer - Introduction to Czech copyright law, impact to daily
>     life in IT, open-source development and crypto/security research,
>     common misconceptions. Reality of software patents in EU. Interesting
>     changes in new civil code. Potential impact of ACTA. GNU GPL, and
>     other free licenses and czech law.
> 
>     Byl by o podobnou prednasku zajem? Pokud ano, jaka temata vas
>     zajimaji, nemusite zustat jen u tech navrzenych (me treba napada el.
>     podpis jako zajimave tema), a zaroven, kolik toho vite? Aby nedoslo na
>     cimrmanovske "ja tady nebudu vykladat takove bezne trivialni pojmy
>     jako co je to parabridlice nebo ortobridlice, to proste predpokladam".
>     Tedy nakolik by se hodilo, aby prednaska obsahovala i uvod do pravniho
>     minima (napr. licence je smlouva, tak jak ma vlastne vypadat smlouva
>     obecne, cim se to ridi, jak to z nekoho vymlatit apod).
> 
>     Michal Tul??ek
>     _______________________________________________
>     Brmlab mailing list
>     Brmlab at brmlab.cz <mailto:Brmlab at brmlab.cz>
>     http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab



From tomeu at tomeuvizoso.net  Wed Dec  1 11:11:32 2010
From: tomeu at tomeuvizoso.net (Tomeu Vizoso)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 11:11:32 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] GNOME Python hackfest 2011
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=JmU+1N1BvC96FVyZMKja5dNkspg_hhUY5t+vu@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=3LB6By1+PHzPe5WZK5Cv3CycTv64q+dCw8S9e@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinzgfaj-iXwk1chbSZUUkDdGK0Jgq42M0n9rHRi@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=JmU+1N1BvC96FVyZMKja5dNkspg_hhUY5t+vu@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinTtQ-q-bJsf1X5n3frdgPo8J+feqCvzkS9dn3P@mail.gmail.com>

2010/11/26 Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu at tomeuvizoso.net>:
>
> Diky, vic informace brzo v tento mailing list :)

Lidi meli dost radi ten moznost se setkat v Praze, provizorni od 17 do
21 Ledna. Funguje to pro Brmlab?

Ted' hledame potvrzen? o ucasti a sponsory. Myslim ze muzu brzo potvrdit.

Diky,

Tomeu


From stick at gk2.sk  Wed Dec  1 11:15:04 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 11:15:04 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] GNOME Python hackfest 2011
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinTtQ-q-bJsf1X5n3frdgPo8J+feqCvzkS9dn3P@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=3LB6By1+PHzPe5WZK5Cv3CycTv64q+dCw8S9e@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTinzgfaj-iXwk1chbSZUUkDdGK0Jgq42M0n9rHRi@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=JmU+1N1BvC96FVyZMKja5dNkspg_hhUY5t+vu@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinTtQ-q-bJsf1X5n3frdgPo8J+feqCvzkS9dn3P@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CF62028.7020207@gk2.sk>

On 01/12/10 11:11, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
>> Diky, vic informace brzo v tento mailing list :)
> 
> Lidi meli dost radi ten moznost se setkat v Praze, provizorni od 17 do
> 21 Ledna. Funguje to pro Brmlab?

Ano, urcite!

-- 
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>


From blackhead at blackhead.cz  Wed Dec  1 11:39:18 2010
From: blackhead at blackhead.cz (George Blackhead)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 11:39:18 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] LED cube
Message-ID: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHOEILDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>

Tak jsem se po dlouhe dobe kouknul do projektu a jsem sokovan.
Ja uz si sice nepamatuju, kdo to byl, ale ten kdo zalozil projekt LEDCUBE z
nej utekl. Ja jsem svou kostku nedelal pod hlavickou Brmlabu a ani bych ji
za brmlabi nevydaval. Taky ale nejsem "founder" toho projektu v brmlabu.
Zajimalo by mne, proc toho dotycny autor projektu chce nechat?

Prosim, prihlas se!

Diky
BH



From stick at gk2.sk  Wed Dec  1 11:40:57 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 11:40:57 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] LED cube
In-Reply-To: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHOEILDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
References: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHOEILDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
Message-ID: <4CF62639.40002@gk2.sk>

On 01/12/10 11:39, George Blackhead wrote:
> Tak jsem se po dlouhe dobe kouknul do projektu a jsem sokovan.
> Ja uz si sice nepamatuju, kdo to byl, ale ten kdo zalozil projekt LEDCUBE z
> nej utekl. Ja jsem svou kostku nedelal pod hlavickou Brmlabu a ani bych ji
> za brmlabi nevydaval. Taky ale nejsem "founder" toho projektu v brmlabu.
> Zajimalo by mne, proc toho dotycny autor projektu chce nechat?
> 
> Prosim, prihlas se!

Ja som zakladal ten projekt v uplnych zaciatkoch brmlabu. Medzitym si
ukazal ty svoju produkciu a ja som si uvedomil ze na toto nemam
momentalne cas, tak som vyhodil seba a dal teba ako foundera. Bola to
asi blbost a asi to vratim spat (alebo vymazem stranku uplne).
Kazdopadne to ze nemam moc cas do konca roka plati.

-- 
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>


From mybiiter at gmail.com  Wed Dec  1 13:41:43 2010
From: mybiiter at gmail.com (BIITER)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 13:41:43 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Prednaska "Legal primer" - zjisteni zajmu
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinDmuR_72pX0YEgq6qcrodnSN6gWYudbxtoRvLa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinDmuR_72pX0YEgq6qcrodnSN6gWYudbxtoRvLa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=Y4FmCLpTbYkDhg=1w9gU9_XXBfRtFdC_UAyag@mail.gmail.com>

mam zajem

2010/12/1 Michal Tul??ek <michal at tulacek.eu>:
> Ahoj,
>
> ?nasel jsem ve wanted topics na wiki namet "Legal primer" s timto popisem:
>
> Legal primer - Introduction to Czech copyright law, impact to daily
> life in IT, open-source development and crypto/security research,
> common misconceptions. Reality of software patents in EU. Interesting
> changes in new civil code. Potential impact of ACTA. GNU GPL, and
> other free licenses and czech law.
>
> Byl by o podobnou prednasku zajem? Pokud ano, jaka temata vas
> zajimaji, nemusite zustat jen u tech navrzenych (me treba napada el.
> podpis jako zajimave tema), a zaroven, kolik toho vite? Aby nedoslo na
> cimrmanovske "ja tady nebudu vykladat takove bezne trivialni pojmy
> jako co je to parabridlice nebo ortobridlice, to proste predpokladam".
> Tedy nakolik by se hodilo, aby prednaska obsahovala i uvod do pravniho
> minima (napr. licence je smlouva, tak jak ma vlastne vypadat smlouva
> obecne, cim se to ridi, jak to z nekoho vymlatit apod).
>
> Michal Tul??ek
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>


From pasky at ucw.cz  Wed Dec  1 13:47:11 2010
From: pasky at ucw.cz (Petr Baudis)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 13:47:11 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Prednaska 6.12. - Uvod do neurofyziologickeho vyzkumu
Message-ID: <20101201124711.GU4023@machine.or.cz>

Ahoj!

Tereza Nekovarova z Fyziologickeho ustavu AV CR bude v pondeli 6.12.
od 19:00 hovorit v brmlabu:

  * Uvod do neurofyziologie mozku - co vsechno uz vime o svem
hardware? Neuronova reprezentace prostoru v hipokampu, deklarativni
a proceduralni pamet.

  * Operantni uceni potkanu - principy kognitivnich pokusu, jak
potkany naucit neco zajimaveho a jak zaridit, aby pri tom byli
spokojeni.

  * Priklady - co vsechno se dokazi naucit potkani? A lide? Morrisovo
vodni bludiste apod. Experimentalni paratura, kterou by bylo potreba v
brmlabu opravit. :-)

URL: http://brmlab.cz/event/neurophysiology


Prijdte v hojnem poctu, pozvete i dalsi potencialni zajemce!

				Petr "Pasky" Baudis


From michal at tulacek.eu  Wed Dec  1 14:49:14 2010
From: michal at tulacek.eu (=?UTF-8?B?TWljaGFsIFR1bMOhxI1law==?=)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 14:49:14 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Prednaska "Legal primer" - zjisteni zajmu
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=Y4FmCLpTbYkDhg=1w9gU9_XXBfRtFdC_UAyag@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinDmuR_72pX0YEgq6qcrodnSN6gWYudbxtoRvLa@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=Y4FmCLpTbYkDhg=1w9gU9_XXBfRtFdC_UAyag@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinTSmGj8BstXp=EU7wWGprxPQRGZj9y7W9Z3jew@mail.gmail.com>

2010/12/1 BIITER <mybiiter at gmail.com>:
> mam zajem

piste prosim o jake tema je zajem a v jake hloubce, diky :)

MT


From pasky at ucw.cz  Wed Dec  1 14:52:29 2010
From: pasky at ucw.cz (Petr Baudis)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 14:52:29 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Prednaska "Legal primer" - zjisteni zajmu
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinTSmGj8BstXp=EU7wWGprxPQRGZj9y7W9Z3jew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinDmuR_72pX0YEgq6qcrodnSN6gWYudbxtoRvLa@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=Y4FmCLpTbYkDhg=1w9gU9_XXBfRtFdC_UAyag@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinTSmGj8BstXp=EU7wWGprxPQRGZj9y7W9Z3jew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101201135229.GW4023@machine.or.cz>

On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 02:49:14PM +0100, Michal Tul??ek wrote:
> 2010/12/1 BIITER <mybiiter at gmail.com>:
> > mam zajem
> 
> piste prosim o jake tema je zajem a v jake hloubce, diky :)

Mam zajem o vsechna zminena temata (konec koncu jsem psal ten puvodni
text ;-) v hloubce relevantni pro kazdodenni zivot.

				Petr "Pasky" Baudis


From stick at gk2.sk  Wed Dec  1 15:53:14 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:53:14 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Po drate 5
Message-ID: <4CF6615A.2050503@gk2.sk>

Ahoj!

Kolegovia z prace organizuju uz piaty rocnik internetovej (emailovej)
hry Po Drate. Je to klasicky system, po vyrieseni jednej ulohy vam pride
zadanie dalsej. Na prvych piatich, co dojdu do ciela, cakaju ceny.
Ukazte, ze vo vas nieco je :-)

http://www.podrate.cz/pd5-zaciname

PS: Sifry su trochu viac geekovske ako na beznych sifrovackach, takze
mate imho vyhodu :-)

-- 
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>


From chidori at emptytriangle.com  Wed Dec  1 22:01:53 2010
From: chidori at emptytriangle.com (Radka Haneckova)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 22:01:53 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Prednaska: Logika, matematika a elektronika = pocitac
In-Reply-To: <20101129112602.GM4023@machine.or.cz>
References: <20101129112602.GM4023@machine.or.cz>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikpo+hkUZoXZWsdFxc8iwLwbPJ1J0ksc2b4PtCz@mail.gmail.com>

vdaka Blackovi za prednasku, napriek nepriaznivym poveternostnym
podmienkam vysla a ja konecne viem ako funguju elektronky :)
tesim sa na buduce.

chido

2010/11/29 Petr Baudis <pasky at ucw.cz>:
> ?Ahoj!
>
> ?Tuhle stredu 1.12. od 17:00 bude mit v brmlabu Black uvodni prednasku
> na tema:
>
> ? ? ? ?Logika, matematika a elektronika = pocitac
> ? ? ? ?Popis zakladnich principu, ktere jsou v pocitacich vyuzivany.
> ? ? ? ?Logika, Booleova algebra, ciselne soustavy, TTL obvody, bity
> ? ? ? ?a bajty.
>
> ?http://brmlab.cz/event/electro_computer_logic
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Petr "Pasky" Baudis
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>



-- 
"It is not birth, marriage, or death, but gastrulation which is truly
the most important time in your life."? ? Lewis Wolpert


From suchan.tomas at gmail.com  Thu Dec  2 01:02:53 2010
From: suchan.tomas at gmail.com (Tomas Suchan)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 01:02:53 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Prednaska: Logika, matematika a elektronika = pocitac
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikpo+hkUZoXZWsdFxc8iwLwbPJ1J0ksc2b4PtCz@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20101129112602.GM4023@machine.or.cz>
	<AANLkTikpo+hkUZoXZWsdFxc8iwLwbPJ1J0ksc2b4PtCz@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikCpYmALB3z__5aQj-1T0cZk0qj_YGh4uU3va7E@mail.gmail.com>

Souhlasim a take dekuji za prijemnou a prinosnou prednasku. Dobra prace
Blacku.
Dne 2010 12 1 22:02 "Radka Haneckova" <chidori at emptytriangle.com> napsal(a):
> vdaka Blackovi za prednasku, napriek nepriaznivym poveternostnym
> podmienkam vysla a ja konecne viem ako funguju elektronky :)
> tesim sa na buduce.
>
> chido
>
> 2010/11/29 Petr Baudis <pasky at ucw.cz>:
>>  Ahoj!
>>
>>  Tuhle stredu 1.12. od 17:00 bude mit v brmlabu Black uvodni prednasku
>> na tema:
>>
>>        Logika, matematika a elektronika = pocitac
>>        Popis zakladnich principu, ktere jsou v pocitacich vyuzivany.
>>        Logika, Booleova algebra, ciselne soustavy, TTL obvody, bity
>>        a bajty.
>>
>>  http://brmlab.cz/event/electro_computer_logic
>>
>>                                Petr "Pasky" Baudis
>> _______________________________________________
>> Brmlab mailing list
>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>
>
>
>
> --
> "It is not birth, marriage, or death, but gastrulation which is truly
> the most important time in your life."    Lewis Wolpert
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
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From chidori at emptytriangle.com  Thu Dec  2 10:26:37 2010
From: chidori at emptytriangle.com (Radka Haneckova)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 10:26:37 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Prednaska "Legal primer" - zjisteni zajmu
In-Reply-To: <20101201135229.GW4023@machine.or.cz>
References: <AANLkTinDmuR_72pX0YEgq6qcrodnSN6gWYudbxtoRvLa@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=Y4FmCLpTbYkDhg=1w9gU9_XXBfRtFdC_UAyag@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinTSmGj8BstXp=EU7wWGprxPQRGZj9y7W9Z3jew@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101201135229.GW4023@machine.or.cz>
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tiez by som mala zaujem - ale hlavne o tie zaklady, v pravnych
zalezitostiach sa neorientujem. mozno by to naozaj malo zmysel spravit
na dve casti.

chido

2010/12/1 Petr Baudis <pasky at ucw.cz>:
> On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 02:49:14PM +0100, Michal Tul??ek wrote:
>> 2010/12/1 BIITER <mybiiter at gmail.com>:
>> > mam zajem
>>
>> piste prosim o jake tema je zajem a v jake hloubce, diky :)
>
> Mam zajem o vsechna zminena temata (konec koncu jsem psal ten puvodni
> text ;-) v hloubce relevantni pro kazdodenni zivot.
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Petr "Pasky" Baudis
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>



-- 
"It is not birth, marriage, or death, but gastrulation which is truly
the most important time in your life."? ? Lewis Wolpert


From kxt at jenikovo.com  Thu Dec  2 11:10:58 2010
From: kxt at jenikovo.com (Jan Svec)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:10:58 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Prednaska "Legal primer" - zjisteni zajmu
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinTSmGj8BstXp=EU7wWGprxPQRGZj9y7W9Z3jew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinDmuR_72pX0YEgq6qcrodnSN6gWYudbxtoRvLa@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=Y4FmCLpTbYkDhg=1w9gU9_XXBfRtFdC_UAyag@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinTSmGj8BstXp=EU7wWGprxPQRGZj9y7W9Z3jew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CF770B2.9040901@jenikovo.com>

On 12/01/2010 02:49 PM, Michal Tul??ek wrote:
> 2010/12/1 BIITER <mybiiter at gmail.com>:
>> mam zajem
> 
> piste prosim o jake tema je zajem a v jake hloubce, diky :)
> 
> MT
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> 
No me by docela zajimalo rozebrani obsahu ACTA.
Cesky autorsky zakon bych bud vynechal, nebo opravdu udelal jen kratke
intro, protoze je kratky, velmi dobre citelny a dulezite veci z nej
kazdy imho zna (krome perlicek, jako ze si clovek nesmi udelat kopii z
notoveho zapisu).

Tot jen muj pohled na vec.
kxt


From czestmyr at gmail.com  Thu Dec  2 11:40:36 2010
From: czestmyr at gmail.com (Cestmir Houska)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 11:40:36 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Prednaska "Legal primer" - zjisteni zajmu
In-Reply-To: <4CF770B2.9040901@jenikovo.com>
References: <AANLkTinDmuR_72pX0YEgq6qcrodnSN6gWYudbxtoRvLa@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=Y4FmCLpTbYkDhg=1w9gU9_XXBfRtFdC_UAyag@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinTSmGj8BstXp=EU7wWGprxPQRGZj9y7W9Z3jew@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CF770B2.9040901@jenikovo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=8KEfG+15TkT0QLkVG0E9vZgMFO7wvHcyrEiD_@mail.gmail.com>

> No me by docela zajimalo rozebrani obsahu ACTA.
> Cesky autorsky zakon bych bud vynechal, nebo opravdu udelal jen kratke
> intro, protoze je kratky, velmi dobre citelny a dulezite veci z nej
> kazdy imho zna (krome perlicek, jako ze si clovek nesmi udelat kopii z
> notoveho zapisu).
>

No, mne prijde, ze si sice hodne lidi mysli, ze ho zna, ale mozna by byli
prekvapeni. Ja bych treba svoji ruku do ohne za znalost AZ nedal... Mohlo
by se to rozebrat treba v tom uvodu do prava....

Cestmir
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From kxt at jenikovo.com  Thu Dec  2 11:46:12 2010
From: kxt at jenikovo.com (Jan Svec)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:46:12 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Prednaska "Legal primer" - zjisteni zajmu
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=8KEfG+15TkT0QLkVG0E9vZgMFO7wvHcyrEiD_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinDmuR_72pX0YEgq6qcrodnSN6gWYudbxtoRvLa@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=Y4FmCLpTbYkDhg=1w9gU9_XXBfRtFdC_UAyag@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTinTSmGj8BstXp=EU7wWGprxPQRGZj9y7W9Z3jew@mail.gmail.com>	<4CF770B2.9040901@jenikovo.com>
	<AANLkTi=8KEfG+15TkT0QLkVG0E9vZgMFO7wvHcyrEiD_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CF778F4.4040202@jenikovo.com>

On 12/02/2010 11:40 AM, Cestmir Houska wrote:
> 
>     No me by docela zajimalo rozebrani obsahu ACTA.
>     Cesky autorsky zakon bych bud vynechal, nebo opravdu udelal jen kratke
>     intro, protoze je kratky, velmi dobre citelny a dulezite veci z nej
>     kazdy imho zna (krome perlicek, jako ze si clovek nesmi udelat kopii z
>     notoveho zapisu).
> 
> 
> No, mne prijde, ze si sice hodne lidi mysli, ze ho zna, ale mozna by byli
> prekvapeni. Ja bych treba svoji ruku do ohne za znalost AZ nedal... Mohlo
> by se to rozebrat treba v tom uvodu do prava....
> 
Byl jsem nedavno na prednasce o autorskem pravu a krome obecne znamych
veci jsem tam opravdu nic noveho zajimaveho nenasel. Navic ten zakon je
psan velmi srozumitelne i pro "nepravnika", takze si ho clovek muze
precist jeden vecer v posteli.

Ale jak jsem psal, that's just me, byl to jen muj navrh, nic vic, v
pohode ;)
Mozna by opravdu nebylo od veci, jak psala Chido, tu prednasku rozdelit
na dve casti.

kxt


From oliver at amset.sk  Thu Dec  2 11:57:47 2010
From: oliver at amset.sk (oliver at amset.sk)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 11:57:47 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Brmlab] servre HP?
In-Reply-To: <4CF778F4.4040202@jenikovo.com>
References: <AANLkTinDmuR_72pX0YEgq6qcrodnSN6gWYudbxtoRvLa@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=Y4FmCLpTbYkDhg=1w9gU9_XXBfRtFdC_UAyag@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinTSmGj8BstXp=EU7wWGprxPQRGZj9y7W9Z3jew@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CF770B2.9040901@jenikovo.com>
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Message-ID: <35329.147.32.223.15.1291287467.squirrel@webmail.amset.sk>

Ahoj,

mame dva volne, starsie servre HP. Jeden 4-procesorovy, druhy
2- procesorovy. Hucia ako lietadlo, ich presne modely si nepamatam.
Bezi na nich HP-UX najvyssia verzia. Oba su plne funkcne.

Ak by ste o ne mali zaujem, pozrel by som sa na ich presne oznacenie
a kludne Vam ich aj doveziem. Inak asi pojdu na srot.

Mali  by ste o ne zaujem?

Oliver



From pasky at ucw.cz  Thu Dec  2 12:45:23 2010
From: pasky at ucw.cz (Petr Baudis)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 12:45:23 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] servre HP?
In-Reply-To: <35329.147.32.223.15.1291287467.squirrel@webmail.amset.sk>
References: <AANLkTinDmuR_72pX0YEgq6qcrodnSN6gWYudbxtoRvLa@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=Y4FmCLpTbYkDhg=1w9gU9_XXBfRtFdC_UAyag@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinTSmGj8BstXp=EU7wWGprxPQRGZj9y7W9Z3jew@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CF770B2.9040901@jenikovo.com>
	<AANLkTi=8KEfG+15TkT0QLkVG0E9vZgMFO7wvHcyrEiD_@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CF778F4.4040202@jenikovo.com>
	<35329.147.32.223.15.1291287467.squirrel@webmail.amset.sk>
Message-ID: <20101202114523.GI4023@machine.or.cz>

  Ahoj!

On Thu, Dec 02, 2010 at 11:57:47AM +0100, oliver at amset.sk wrote:
> mame dva volne, starsie servre HP. Jeden 4-procesorovy, druhy
> 2- procesorovy. Hucia ako lietadlo, ich presne modely si nepamatam.
> Bezi na nich HP-UX najvyssia verzia. Oba su plne funkcne.

  Co je tam radove za procesory a kolik maji ramky a jak velke disky?

  Diky,

				Petr "Pasky" Baudis


From TSuchan at seznam.cz  Thu Dec  2 12:57:27 2010
From: TSuchan at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Tom=E1=B9=20Suchan?=)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:57:27 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Brmlab] servre HP?
In-Reply-To: <35329.147.32.223.15.1291287467.squirrel@webmail.amset.sk>
Message-ID: <15515.4989.12687-18419-1473167448-1291291047@seznam.cz>

Pokud brmlab, ci nikdo jiny neprojevy zajem tak minimalne jeden bych si vzal.
Posli pls blyzsi spec....

Dekuji....

TomSuch

> ------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------
> Od:  <oliver at amset.sk>
> P?edm?t: [Brmlab] servre HP?
> Datum: 02.12.2010 11:57:58
> ----------------------------------------
> Ahoj,
> 
> mame dva volne, starsie servre HP. Jeden 4-procesorovy, druhy
> 2- procesorovy. Hucia ako lietadlo, ich presne modely si nepamatam.
> Bezi na nich HP-UX najvyssia verzia. Oba su plne funkcne.
> 
> Ak by ste o ne mali zaujem, pozrel by som sa na ich presne oznacenie
> a kludne Vam ich aj doveziem. Inak asi pojdu na srot.
> 
> Mali  by ste o ne zaujem?
> 
> Oliver
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> 
> 
> 


From TSuchan at seznam.cz  Thu Dec  2 12:57:27 2010
From: TSuchan at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Tom=E1=B9=20Suchan?=)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:57:27 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Brmlab] servre HP?
In-Reply-To: <35329.147.32.223.15.1291287467.squirrel@webmail.amset.sk>
Message-ID: <15515.4989.12687-18419-1473167448-1291291047@seznam.cz>

Pokud brmlab, ci nikdo jiny neprojevy zajem tak minimalne jeden bych si vzal.
Posli pls blyzsi spec....

Dekuji....

TomSuch

> ------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------
> Od:  <oliver at amset.sk>
> P?edm?t: [Brmlab] servre HP?
> Datum: 02.12.2010 11:57:58
> ----------------------------------------
> Ahoj,
> 
> mame dva volne, starsie servre HP. Jeden 4-procesorovy, druhy
> 2- procesorovy. Hucia ako lietadlo, ich presne modely si nepamatam.
> Bezi na nich HP-UX najvyssia verzia. Oba su plne funkcne.
> 
> Ak by ste o ne mali zaujem, pozrel by som sa na ich presne oznacenie
> a kludne Vam ich aj doveziem. Inak asi pojdu na srot.
> 
> Mali  by ste o ne zaujem?
> 
> Oliver
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> 
> 
> 


From pasky at ucw.cz  Fri Dec  3 03:40:00 2010
From: pasky at ucw.cz (Petr Baudis)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 03:40:00 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] [Brmlab Announce] Prednaska 6.12. - Uvod do
 neurofyziologickeho vyzkumu
In-Reply-To: <20101201124711.GU4023@machine.or.cz>
References: <20101201124711.GU4023@machine.or.cz>
Message-ID: <20101203024000.GO4023@machine.or.cz>

  Ahoj!

On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 01:47:11PM +0100, Petr Baudis wrote:
> Tereza Nekovarova z Fyziologickeho ustavu AV CR bude v pondeli 6.12.
> od 19:00 hovorit v brmlabu:

  Jen doplnim, ze bude k videni nejen experimentalni aparatura z AVCR,
ale doneseme ukazat i nasi Roombu s klickou:

	http://brmlab.cz/project/brmrat

				Petr "Pasky" Baudis


From czestmyr at gmail.com  Fri Dec  3 22:29:10 2010
From: czestmyr at gmail.com (Cestmir Houska)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 22:29:10 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Fwd: hosting in Prague
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=OaW4FiR1Jz5du=XYeO2utO8HYQOwk=ioGK+ar@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=OaW4FiR1Jz5du=XYeO2utO8HYQOwk=ioGK+ar@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=sr0c90dSKXzKG04jr=EFA38-fEVMn8ZFLKKzx@mail.gmail.com>

Zdar, tak co vy na to jako svazaci?

Cestmir

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org>
Date: Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:15 PM
Subject: hosting in Prague
To: Cestmir Houska <czestmyr at gmail.com>


hi, Cestmir,

I'd like to be sure whether I have a place to stay in Prague from Dec 6th
until dec 12th since I've see the weather reports and it is -14 degrees
celcius there!

Can you confirm to me whether some of your friends have a place to offer me?
I am absolutely sure that I will leave Vienna towards Prague on dec 6th. I
wont change plans this time.

see you soon,
Felipe

PS:
I wrote in my blog today about the pinball project.
http://jucablues.blogspot.com/2010/12/pinball-hacking-in-vienna-i-am.html
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From rainbof at gmail.com  Fri Dec  3 23:07:24 2010
From: rainbof at gmail.com (Ondrej Beranek)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 23:07:24 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Fwd: hosting in Prague
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=sr0c90dSKXzKG04jr=EFA38-fEVMn8ZFLKKzx@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=OaW4FiR1Jz5du=XYeO2utO8HYQOwk=ioGK+ar@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=sr0c90dSKXzKG04jr=EFA38-fEVMn8ZFLKKzx@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimaJ3qxFyrz1z6Dh36jdovooz0Qwo6utBEpko0o@mail.gmail.com>

Pomuzu bude-li potreba.
nebudu na nej mit moc cas (coz je skoda);
rozumet mu taky moc nebudu :D takze pokud nikoho nesezenete tak jako
ubytovna bych poslouzil :D moje cislo zna ruza (ruza: sorry ze to na tebe
hazu).

O.

Dne 3. prosince 2010 22:29 Cestmir Houska <czestmyr at gmail.com> napsal(a):

> Zdar, tak co vy na to jako svazaci?
>
> Cestmir
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org>
> Date: Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:15 PM
> Subject: hosting in Prague
> To: Cestmir Houska <czestmyr at gmail.com>
>
>
> hi, Cestmir,
>
> I'd like to be sure whether I have a place to stay in Prague from Dec 6th
> until dec 12th since I've see the weather reports and it is -14 degrees
> celcius there!
>
> Can you confirm to me whether some of your friends have a place to offer
> me? I am absolutely sure that I will leave Vienna towards Prague on dec 6th.
> I wont change plans this time.
>
> see you soon,
> Felipe
>
> PS:
> I wrote in my blog today about the pinball project.
> http://jucablues.blogspot.com/2010/12/pinball-hacking-in-vienna-i-am.html
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>
>
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From pasky at ucw.cz  Sat Dec  4 18:19:47 2010
From: pasky at ucw.cz (Petr Baudis)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 18:19:47 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Deskova hra Go - 13.12. 19:00
Message-ID: <20101204171947.GJ9230@machine.or.cz>

  Ahoj!

  V pondeli 13.12. od 19:00 budeme v brmlabu predvadet, ucit a hrat
skvelou deskovou hru Go. Pravidla a zakladni taktiku vysvetli Martin
Reindl 3d, pasky a chido si s Vami take radi zahraji!

  Krome hry samotne Vam radi povime i neco o historii a kulture kolem
teto asijske hry, zrejme vubec nejstarsi deskove hry na svete. Pasky
muze vysvetlit, proc Go stale zadny program nedokaze hrat na mistrovske
urovni, a jake algoritmy se osvedcuji nejvice.

  Prineseme take ukazat aktualni vysledek projektu Live Wire Go Board;
pokud nechcete, elektricke soky do vas vsak poustet nebudeme. ;-)

  Chcete-li prijit, ocenime, odpovite-li radkem na tento mail, abychom
vedeli, zda je o lekci Go vubec zajem a hlavne kolik mame sehnat hraciho
materialu.

  Viz take: http://brmlab.cz/event/go

  Pekny vecer,

				Petr "Pasky" Baudis


From juca at members.fsf.org  Sun Dec  5 04:11:16 2010
From: juca at members.fsf.org (Felipe Sanches)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 04:11:16 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Pinball hacking at Brmlab
Message-ID: <AANLkTing0=iqQoehi4QyZ4ZzL+r_iVcyL2yR+zPQCTmE@mail.gmail.com>

Hello!

My name is Felipe Sanches and I'll be in Prague from tomorrow (december 6th)
until december 12th.
I have spent some time in Vienna and you can read about the pinball project
I've been developing there at the Metalab hackerspace in this blogpost:
http://jucablues.blogspot.com/2010/12/pinball-hacking-in-vienna-i-am.html

I am planning to host a pinball hacking workshop in Prague. What is the best
time&date for that?

cheers,
Felipe "Juca" Sanches
from the brazilian hackerspace "Garoa Hacker Clube"
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From czestmyr at gmail.com  Sun Dec  5 14:44:44 2010
From: czestmyr at gmail.com (Cestmir Houska)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 14:44:44 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Fwd: hosting in Prague
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Ahoj, muzes mi moje cislo poslat mailem prosim? Ruza se nejak neozyva a
Brazilec uz je celkem netrpelivej, vzhledem k tomu, ze zitra prijede :-)

Diky,

Cestmir

2010/12/3 Ondrej Beranek <rainbof at gmail.com>

> Pomuzu bude-li potreba.
> nebudu na nej mit moc cas (coz je skoda);
> rozumet mu taky moc nebudu :D takze pokud nikoho nesezenete tak jako
> ubytovna bych poslouzil :D moje cislo zna ruza (ruza: sorry ze to na tebe
> hazu).
>
> O.
>
> Dne 3. prosince 2010 22:29 Cestmir Houska <czestmyr at gmail.com> napsal(a):
>
>> Zdar, tak co vy na to jako svazaci?
>>
>> Cestmir
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org>
>> Date: Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:15 PM
>> Subject: hosting in Prague
>> To: Cestmir Houska <czestmyr at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> hi, Cestmir,
>>
>> I'd like to be sure whether I have a place to stay in Prague from Dec 6th
>> until dec 12th since I've see the weather reports and it is -14 degrees
>> celcius there!
>>
>> Can you confirm to me whether some of your friends have a place to offer
>> me? I am absolutely sure that I will leave Vienna towards Prague on dec 6th.
>> I wont change plans this time.
>>
>> see you soon,
>> Felipe
>>
>> PS:
>> I wrote in my blog today about the pinball project.
>> http://jucablues.blogspot.com/2010/12/pinball-hacking-in-vienna-i-am.html
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Brmlab mailing list
>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>
>>
>
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From stick at gk2.sk  Sun Dec  5 14:55:02 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 14:55:02 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Fwd: hosting in Prague
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik2WcCvY=JzS+WiHRczbW_Qsj9NQxiDU5VdeH1b@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4CFB99B6.3050201@gk2.sk>

On 05/12/10 14:44, Cestmir Houska wrote:
> Ahoj, muzes mi moje cislo poslat mailem prosim? Ruza se nejak neozyva a
> Brazilec uz je celkem netrpelivej, vzhledem k tomu, ze zitra prijede :-)

Cau!

Mozes prosimta na http://brmlab.cz/event/pinbrm popisat ako si ten
pinballovy tyzden predstavujete? Nejaky priblizny rozvrh na jednotlive
dni. Alebo to este sam netusis a nejaka konkretna predstava bude az v
pondelok ked sa stretnete s tym brazilcom?

-- 
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>


From ruza at ruza.eu  Sun Dec  5 14:54:00 2010
From: ruza at ruza.eu (Pavel Ruzicka)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 14:54:00 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Fwd: hosting in Prague
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Nevim o tom ze bych se mel nekomu s necim ozyvat. Pokud jsem to cislo 
mel sdelovat mailem tak ho mohl rainbof napsat rovnou. Jinou cestou se 
mne nikdo neptal.

Cislo na Rainbofa vim z uzivatelske evidence stejne jako kdokoliv z Rady 
nebo Revizni komise ... 608 155 277

ruza

On 12/05/2010 02:44 PM, Cestmir Houska wrote:
> Ahoj, muzes mi moje cislo poslat mailem prosim? Ruza se nejak neozyva a
> Brazilec uz je celkem netrpelivej, vzhledem k tomu, ze zitra prijede :-)
>
> Diky,
>
> Cestmir
>
> 2010/12/3 Ondrej Beranek <rainbof at gmail.com <mailto:rainbof at gmail.com>>
>
>     Pomuzu bude-li potreba.
>     nebudu na nej mit moc cas (coz je skoda);
>     rozumet mu taky moc nebudu :D takze pokud nikoho nesezenete tak jako
>     ubytovna bych poslouzil :D moje cislo zna ruza (ruza: sorry ze to na
>     tebe hazu).
>
>     O.
>
>     Dne 3. prosince 2010 22:29 Cestmir Houska <czestmyr at gmail.com
>     <mailto:czestmyr at gmail.com>> napsal(a):
>
>         Zdar, tak co vy na to jako svazaci?
>
>         Cestmir
>
>         ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>         From: *Felipe Sanches* <juca at members.fsf.org
>         <mailto:juca at members.fsf.org>>
>         Date: Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:15 PM
>         Subject: hosting in Prague
>         To: Cestmir Houska <czestmyr at gmail.com <mailto:czestmyr at gmail.com>>
>
>
>         hi, Cestmir,
>
>         I'd like to be sure whether I have a place to stay in Prague
>         from Dec 6th until dec 12th since I've see the weather reports
>         and it is -14 degrees celcius there!
>
>         Can you confirm to me whether some of your friends have a place
>         to offer me? I am absolutely sure that I will leave Vienna
>         towards Prague on dec 6th. I wont change plans this time.
>
>         see you soon,
>         Felipe
>
>         PS:
>         I wrote in my blog today about the pinball project.
>         http://jucablues.blogspot.com/2010/12/pinball-hacking-in-vienna-i-am.html
>
>
>         _______________________________________________
>         Brmlab mailing list
>         Brmlab at brmlab.cz <mailto:Brmlab at brmlab.cz>
>         http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>
>
>
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>     http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>
>
>
>
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-- 
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www:   http://ruza.eu
      http://brmlab.cz


From rainbof at gmail.com  Sun Dec  5 14:56:00 2010
From: rainbof at gmail.com (Ondrej Beranek)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 14:56:00 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Fwd: hosting in Prague
In-Reply-To: <4CFB9978.1080403@ruza.eu>
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Ruza dik nechtel jsem ho psat do verejny konfery. uz sem mu ho poslal. na
tebe jsem dal odkaz protoze mi nebylo zcela jasny kdo to presne organizuje
jsem trosku bez casu jak uz jsem psal.

Dne 5. prosince 2010 14:54 Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> napsal(a):

> Nevim o tom ze bych se mel nekomu s necim ozyvat. Pokud jsem to cislo mel
> sdelovat mailem tak ho mohl rainbof napsat rovnou. Jinou cestou se mne nikdo
> neptal.
>
> Cislo na Rainbofa vim z uzivatelske evidence stejne jako kdokoliv z Rady
> nebo Revizni komise ... 608 155 277
>
> ruza
>
>
> On 12/05/2010 02:44 PM, Cestmir Houska wrote:
>
>> Ahoj, muzes mi moje cislo poslat mailem prosim? Ruza se nejak neozyva a
>> Brazilec uz je celkem netrpelivej, vzhledem k tomu, ze zitra prijede :-)
>>
>> Diky,
>>
>> Cestmir
>>
>> 2010/12/3 Ondrej Beranek <rainbof at gmail.com <mailto:rainbof at gmail.com>>
>>
>>
>>    Pomuzu bude-li potreba.
>>    nebudu na nej mit moc cas (coz je skoda);
>>    rozumet mu taky moc nebudu :D takze pokud nikoho nesezenete tak jako
>>    ubytovna bych poslouzil :D moje cislo zna ruza (ruza: sorry ze to na
>>    tebe hazu).
>>
>>    O.
>>
>>    Dne 3. prosince 2010 22:29 Cestmir Houska <czestmyr at gmail.com
>>    <mailto:czestmyr at gmail.com>> napsal(a):
>>
>>
>>        Zdar, tak co vy na to jako svazaci?
>>
>>        Cestmir
>>
>>        ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>        From: *Felipe Sanches* <juca at members.fsf.org
>>        <mailto:juca at members.fsf.org>>
>>        Date: Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:15 PM
>>        Subject: hosting in Prague
>>        To: Cestmir Houska <czestmyr at gmail.com <mailto:czestmyr at gmail.com
>> >>
>>
>>
>>        hi, Cestmir,
>>
>>        I'd like to be sure whether I have a place to stay in Prague
>>        from Dec 6th until dec 12th since I've see the weather reports
>>        and it is -14 degrees celcius there!
>>
>>        Can you confirm to me whether some of your friends have a place
>>        to offer me? I am absolutely sure that I will leave Vienna
>>        towards Prague on dec 6th. I wont change plans this time.
>>
>>        see you soon,
>>        Felipe
>>
>>        PS:
>>        I wrote in my blog today about the pinball project.
>>
>> http://jucablues.blogspot.com/2010/12/pinball-hacking-in-vienna-i-am.html
>>
>>
>>        _______________________________________________
>>        Brmlab mailing list
>>        Brmlab at brmlab.cz <mailto:Brmlab at brmlab.cz>
>>
>>        http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>
>>
>>
>>    _______________________________________________
>>    Brmlab mailing list
>>    Brmlab at brmlab.cz <mailto:Brmlab at brmlab.cz>
>>
>>    http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Brmlab mailing list
>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>
>
>
> --
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> www:   http://ruza.eu
>     http://brmlab.cz
>
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From czestmyr at gmail.com  Sun Dec  5 15:08:17 2010
From: czestmyr at gmail.com (Cestmir Houska)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 15:08:17 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Fwd: hosting in Prague
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Omlouvam se. Moje chyba. Melo to jit jenom Ruzovi...

2010/12/5 Ondrej Beranek <rainbof at gmail.com>

> Ruza dik nechtel jsem ho psat do verejny konfery. uz sem mu ho poslal. na
> tebe jsem dal odkaz protoze mi nebylo zcela jasny kdo to presne organizuje
> jsem trosku bez casu jak uz jsem psal.
>
> Dne 5. prosince 2010 14:54 Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> napsal(a):
>
> Nevim o tom ze bych se mel nekomu s necim ozyvat. Pokud jsem to cislo mel
>> sdelovat mailem tak ho mohl rainbof napsat rovnou. Jinou cestou se mne nikdo
>> neptal.
>>
>> Cislo na Rainbofa vim z uzivatelske evidence stejne jako kdokoliv z Rady
>> nebo Revizni komise ... 608 155 277
>>
>> ruza
>>
>>
>> On 12/05/2010 02:44 PM, Cestmir Houska wrote:
>>
>>> Ahoj, muzes mi moje cislo poslat mailem prosim? Ruza se nejak neozyva a
>>> Brazilec uz je celkem netrpelivej, vzhledem k tomu, ze zitra prijede :-)
>>>
>>> Diky,
>>>
>>> Cestmir
>>>
>>> 2010/12/3 Ondrej Beranek <rainbof at gmail.com <mailto:rainbof at gmail.com>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    Pomuzu bude-li potreba.
>>>    nebudu na nej mit moc cas (coz je skoda);
>>>    rozumet mu taky moc nebudu :D takze pokud nikoho nesezenete tak jako
>>>    ubytovna bych poslouzil :D moje cislo zna ruza (ruza: sorry ze to na
>>>    tebe hazu).
>>>
>>>    O.
>>>
>>>    Dne 3. prosince 2010 22:29 Cestmir Houska <czestmyr at gmail.com
>>>    <mailto:czestmyr at gmail.com>> napsal(a):
>>>
>>>
>>>        Zdar, tak co vy na to jako svazaci?
>>>
>>>        Cestmir
>>>
>>>        ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>        From: *Felipe Sanches* <juca at members.fsf.org
>>>        <mailto:juca at members.fsf.org>>
>>>        Date: Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:15 PM
>>>        Subject: hosting in Prague
>>>        To: Cestmir Houska <czestmyr at gmail.com <mailto:czestmyr at gmail.com
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
>>>        hi, Cestmir,
>>>
>>>        I'd like to be sure whether I have a place to stay in Prague
>>>        from Dec 6th until dec 12th since I've see the weather reports
>>>        and it is -14 degrees celcius there!
>>>
>>>        Can you confirm to me whether some of your friends have a place
>>>        to offer me? I am absolutely sure that I will leave Vienna
>>>        towards Prague on dec 6th. I wont change plans this time.
>>>
>>>        see you soon,
>>>        Felipe
>>>
>>>        PS:
>>>        I wrote in my blog today about the pinball project.
>>>
>>> http://jucablues.blogspot.com/2010/12/pinball-hacking-in-vienna-i-am.html
>>>
>>>
>>>        _______________________________________________
>>>        Brmlab mailing list
>>>        Brmlab at brmlab.cz <mailto:Brmlab at brmlab.cz>
>>>
>>>        http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    _______________________________________________
>>>    Brmlab mailing list
>>>    Brmlab at brmlab.cz <mailto:Brmlab at brmlab.cz>
>>>
>>>    http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Brmlab mailing list
>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> e-mail:  ruza at ruza.eu
>> www:   http://ruza.eu
>>     http://brmlab.cz
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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From czestmyr at gmail.com  Sun Dec  5 15:09:37 2010
From: czestmyr at gmail.com (Cestmir Houska)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 15:09:37 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Fwd: hosting in Prague
In-Reply-To: <4CFB99B6.3050201@gk2.sk>
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Ahoj,

planuju update. Neboj :-) Vidim to tak, ze v pondeli, kdy tam bude hodne
lidi, udelame nejaky seznameni s projektem pro ostatni. Ale pokusim se tu
stranku updatnout uz dneska.

Cestmir

2010/12/5 Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>

> On 05/12/10 14:44, Cestmir Houska wrote:
> > Ahoj, muzes mi moje cislo poslat mailem prosim? Ruza se nejak neozyva a
> > Brazilec uz je celkem netrpelivej, vzhledem k tomu, ze zitra prijede :-)
>
> Cau!
>
> Mozes prosimta na http://brmlab.cz/event/pinbrm popisat ako si ten
> pinballovy tyzden predstavujete? Nejaky priblizny rozvrh na jednotlive
> dni. Alebo to este sam netusis a nejaka konkretna predstava bude az v
> pondelok ked sa stretnete s tym brazilcom?
>
> --
> Best Regards / S pozdravom,
>
> Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>
>
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From czestmyr at gmail.com  Sun Dec  5 15:12:36 2010
From: czestmyr at gmail.com (Cestmir Houska)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 15:12:36 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Fwd: hosting in Prague
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Ehm, teda Ondrovi, ale snad chapete :-)

2010/12/5 Cestmir Houska <czestmyr at gmail.com>

> Omlouvam se. Moje chyba. Melo to jit jenom Ruzovi...
>
> 2010/12/5 Ondrej Beranek <rainbof at gmail.com>
>
> Ruza dik nechtel jsem ho psat do verejny konfery. uz sem mu ho poslal. na
>> tebe jsem dal odkaz protoze mi nebylo zcela jasny kdo to presne organizuje
>> jsem trosku bez casu jak uz jsem psal.
>>
>> Dne 5. prosince 2010 14:54 Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> napsal(a):
>>
>> Nevim o tom ze bych se mel nekomu s necim ozyvat. Pokud jsem to cislo mel
>>> sdelovat mailem tak ho mohl rainbof napsat rovnou. Jinou cestou se mne nikdo
>>> neptal.
>>>
>>> Cislo na Rainbofa vim z uzivatelske evidence stejne jako kdokoliv z Rady
>>> nebo Revizni komise ... 608 155 277
>>>
>>> ruza
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/05/2010 02:44 PM, Cestmir Houska wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ahoj, muzes mi moje cislo poslat mailem prosim? Ruza se nejak neozyva a
>>>> Brazilec uz je celkem netrpelivej, vzhledem k tomu, ze zitra prijede :-)
>>>>
>>>> Diky,
>>>>
>>>> Cestmir
>>>>
>>>> 2010/12/3 Ondrej Beranek <rainbof at gmail.com <mailto:rainbof at gmail.com>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Pomuzu bude-li potreba.
>>>>    nebudu na nej mit moc cas (coz je skoda);
>>>>    rozumet mu taky moc nebudu :D takze pokud nikoho nesezenete tak jako
>>>>    ubytovna bych poslouzil :D moje cislo zna ruza (ruza: sorry ze to na
>>>>    tebe hazu).
>>>>
>>>>    O.
>>>>
>>>>    Dne 3. prosince 2010 22:29 Cestmir Houska <czestmyr at gmail.com
>>>>    <mailto:czestmyr at gmail.com>> napsal(a):
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        Zdar, tak co vy na to jako svazaci?
>>>>
>>>>        Cestmir
>>>>
>>>>        ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>        From: *Felipe Sanches* <juca at members.fsf.org
>>>>        <mailto:juca at members.fsf.org>>
>>>>        Date: Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:15 PM
>>>>        Subject: hosting in Prague
>>>>        To: Cestmir Houska <czestmyr at gmail.com <mailto:
>>>> czestmyr at gmail.com>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        hi, Cestmir,
>>>>
>>>>        I'd like to be sure whether I have a place to stay in Prague
>>>>        from Dec 6th until dec 12th since I've see the weather reports
>>>>        and it is -14 degrees celcius there!
>>>>
>>>>        Can you confirm to me whether some of your friends have a place
>>>>        to offer me? I am absolutely sure that I will leave Vienna
>>>>        towards Prague on dec 6th. I wont change plans this time.
>>>>
>>>>        see you soon,
>>>>        Felipe
>>>>
>>>>        PS:
>>>>        I wrote in my blog today about the pinball project.
>>>>
>>>> http://jucablues.blogspot.com/2010/12/pinball-hacking-in-vienna-i-am.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        _______________________________________________
>>>>        Brmlab mailing list
>>>>        Brmlab at brmlab.cz <mailto:Brmlab at brmlab.cz>
>>>>
>>>>        http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    _______________________________________________
>>>>    Brmlab mailing list
>>>>    Brmlab at brmlab.cz <mailto:Brmlab at brmlab.cz>
>>>>
>>>>    http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> www:   http://ruza.eu
>>>     http://brmlab.cz
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From ruza at ruza.eu  Sun Dec  5 15:12:50 2010
From: ruza at ruza.eu (Pavel Ruzicka)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 15:12:50 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Fwd: hosting in Prague
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim-DhFHLC6EqdkFNEuw7MzoAQHNEZrH2EWw=J=U@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=OaW4FiR1Jz5du=XYeO2utO8HYQOwk=ioGK+ar@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=sr0c90dSKXzKG04jr=EFA38-fEVMn8ZFLKKzx@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTimaJ3qxFyrz1z6Dh36jdovooz0Qwo6utBEpko0o@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTik2WcCvY=JzS+WiHRczbW_Qsj9NQxiDU5VdeH1b@mail.gmail.com>	<4CFB99B6.3050201@gk2.sk>
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nemuzes vlezt na irc? tam se to imo lip domlouva

On 12/05/2010 03:09 PM, Cestmir Houska wrote:
> Ahoj,
>
> planuju update. Neboj :-) Vidim to tak, ze v pondeli, kdy tam bude hodne
> lidi, udelame nejaky seznameni s projektem pro ostatni. Ale pokusim se
> tu stranku updatnout uz dneska.
>
> Cestmir
>


From stick at gk2.sk  Sun Dec  5 15:15:21 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 15:15:21 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Fwd: hosting in Prague
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim-DhFHLC6EqdkFNEuw7MzoAQHNEZrH2EWw=J=U@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=OaW4FiR1Jz5du=XYeO2utO8HYQOwk=ioGK+ar@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=sr0c90dSKXzKG04jr=EFA38-fEVMn8ZFLKKzx@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTimaJ3qxFyrz1z6Dh36jdovooz0Qwo6utBEpko0o@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTik2WcCvY=JzS+WiHRczbW_Qsj9NQxiDU5VdeH1b@mail.gmail.com>	<4CFB99B6.3050201@gk2.sk>
	<AANLkTim-DhFHLC6EqdkFNEuw7MzoAQHNEZrH2EWw=J=U@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CFB9E79.3090600@gk2.sk>

On 05/12/10 15:09, Cestmir Houska wrote:
> Ahoj,
> 
> planuju update. Neboj :-) Vidim to tak, ze v pondeli, kdy tam bude hodne
> lidi, udelame nejaky seznameni s projektem pro ostatni. Ale pokusim se tu
> stranku updatnout uz dneska.

Super!
Len pripominam ze zajtra o 19:00 je prednaska -
http://brmlab.cz/event/neurophysiology - takze bud lightning talk (5,
max 10 minut) pred samotnou prednaskou alebo dlhsie oboznamenie az po
prednaske ... (alebo v tejto vete je "or" nie "xor" :D)

-- 
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>


From czestmyr at gmail.com  Sun Dec  5 15:14:18 2010
From: czestmyr at gmail.com (Cestmir Houska)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 15:14:18 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Fwd: hosting in Prague
In-Reply-To: <4CFB9DE2.4070503@ruza.eu>
References: <AANLkTi=OaW4FiR1Jz5du=XYeO2utO8HYQOwk=ioGK+ar@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=sr0c90dSKXzKG04jr=EFA38-fEVMn8ZFLKKzx@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimaJ3qxFyrz1z6Dh36jdovooz0Qwo6utBEpko0o@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik2WcCvY=JzS+WiHRczbW_Qsj9NQxiDU5VdeH1b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CFB99B6.3050201@gk2.sk>
	<AANLkTim-DhFHLC6EqdkFNEuw7MzoAQHNEZrH2EWw=J=U@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CFB9DE2.4070503@ruza.eu>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=J5JXtz0+vPXxX_o9gaUEMAU4FJvB68q3_p-HT@mail.gmail.com>

Good idea :-)

2010/12/5 Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu>

> nemuzes vlezt na irc? tam se to imo lip domlouva
>
>
> On 12/05/2010 03:09 PM, Cestmir Houska wrote:
>
>> Ahoj,
>>
>> planuju update. Neboj :-) Vidim to tak, ze v pondeli, kdy tam bude hodne
>> lidi, udelame nejaky seznameni s projektem pro ostatni. Ale pokusim se
>> tu stranku updatnout uz dneska.
>>
>> Cestmir
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
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From oliver at amset.sk  Sun Dec  5 22:51:10 2010
From: oliver at amset.sk (oliver at amset.sk)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 22:51:10 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Brmlab] servre HP?
In-Reply-To: <35329.147.32.223.15.1291287467.squirrel@webmail.amset.sk>
References: <AANLkTinDmuR_72pX0YEgq6qcrodnSN6gWYudbxtoRvLa@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=Y4FmCLpTbYkDhg=1w9gU9_XXBfRtFdC_UAyag@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinTSmGj8BstXp=EU7wWGprxPQRGZj9y7W9Z3jew@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CF770B2.9040901@jenikovo.com>
	<AANLkTi=8KEfG+15TkT0QLkVG0E9vZgMFO7wvHcyrEiD_@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CF778F4.4040202@jenikovo.com>
	<35329.147.32.223.15.1291287467.squirrel@webmail.amset.sk>
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Tak som na to pozeral, su to servre rp7400 a rp5430.
Presne neviem co maju v nutri, strasne sa mi to nechce zapinat :)

Oliver

> Ahoj,
>
> mame dva volne, starsie servre HP. Jeden 4-procesorovy, druhy
> 2- procesorovy. Hucia ako lietadlo, ich presne modely si nepamatam.
> Bezi na nich HP-UX najvyssia verzia. Oba su plne funkcne.
>
> Ak by ste o ne mali zaujem, pozrel by som sa na ich presne oznacenie
> a kludne Vam ich aj doveziem. Inak asi pojdu na srot.
>
> Mali  by ste o ne zaujem?
>
> Oliver
>
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>




From pasky at ucw.cz  Sun Dec  5 23:10:49 2010
From: pasky at ucw.cz (Petr Baudis)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 23:10:49 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] servre HP?
In-Reply-To: <57794.147.32.96.159.1291585870.squirrel@webmail.amset.sk>
References: <AANLkTinDmuR_72pX0YEgq6qcrodnSN6gWYudbxtoRvLa@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=Y4FmCLpTbYkDhg=1w9gU9_XXBfRtFdC_UAyag@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinTSmGj8BstXp=EU7wWGprxPQRGZj9y7W9Z3jew@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CF770B2.9040901@jenikovo.com>
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	<4CF778F4.4040202@jenikovo.com>
	<35329.147.32.223.15.1291287467.squirrel@webmail.amset.sk>
	<57794.147.32.96.159.1291585870.squirrel@webmail.amset.sk>
Message-ID: <20101205221049.GU9230@machine.or.cz>

  Ahoj!

On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 10:51:10PM +0100, oliver at amset.sk wrote:
> Tak som na to pozeral, su to servre rp7400 a rp5430.
> Presne neviem co maju v nutri, strasne sa mi to nechce zapinat :)

  Tak to je krasna exotika! Taky mame jedno hppa, ale popravde receno,
z hlediska brmlabu mi prijde, ze by asi jenom zabiraly misto; takze
pokud se neprihlasi jeste rychle nekdo konkretni, kdo si s nimi chce
pohrat, asi bych je prenechal Tomasovi. :-)

				Petr "Pasky" Baudis


From rainbof at gmail.com  Sun Dec  5 23:23:13 2010
From: rainbof at gmail.com (Ondrej Beranek)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 23:23:13 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] servre HP?
In-Reply-To: <20101205221049.GU9230@machine.or.cz>
References: <AANLkTinDmuR_72pX0YEgq6qcrodnSN6gWYudbxtoRvLa@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=Y4FmCLpTbYkDhg=1w9gU9_XXBfRtFdC_UAyag@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinTSmGj8BstXp=EU7wWGprxPQRGZj9y7W9Z3jew@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CF770B2.9040901@jenikovo.com>
	<AANLkTi=8KEfG+15TkT0QLkVG0E9vZgMFO7wvHcyrEiD_@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CF778F4.4040202@jenikovo.com>
	<35329.147.32.223.15.1291287467.squirrel@webmail.amset.sk>
	<57794.147.32.96.159.1291585870.squirrel@webmail.amset.sk>
	<20101205221049.GU9230@machine.or.cz>
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Ja konkretne a jmenovite bych si s nimi rad aspon jeden vikend po novem roce
pohral (pak klidne ad jdou tomasovi). Servery mam moc rad :)


Dne 5. prosince 2010 23:10 Petr Baudis <pasky at ucw.cz> napsal(a):

>  Ahoj!
>
> On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 10:51:10PM +0100, oliver at amset.sk wrote:
> > Tak som na to pozeral, su to servre rp7400 a rp5430.
> > Presne neviem co maju v nutri, strasne sa mi to nechce zapinat :)
>
>   Tak to je krasna exotika! Taky mame jedno hppa, ale popravde receno,
> z hlediska brmlabu mi prijde, ze by asi jenom zabiraly misto; takze
> pokud se neprihlasi jeste rychle nekdo konkretni, kdo si s nimi chce
> pohrat, asi bych je prenechal Tomasovi. :-)
>
>                                Petr "Pasky" Baudis
> _______________________________________________
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> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
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From miroslav.ludvik at 4safety.cz  Mon Dec  6 00:00:35 2010
From: miroslav.ludvik at 4safety.cz (Miroslav Ludvik)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 00:00:35 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] servre HP?
In-Reply-To: <57794.147.32.96.159.1291585870.squirrel@webmail.amset.sk>
References: <AANLkTinDmuR_72pX0YEgq6qcrodnSN6gWYudbxtoRvLa@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=Y4FmCLpTbYkDhg=1w9gU9_XXBfRtFdC_UAyag@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTinTSmGj8BstXp=EU7wWGprxPQRGZj9y7W9Z3jew@mail.gmail.com>	<4CF770B2.9040901@jenikovo.com>	<AANLkTi=8KEfG+15TkT0QLkVG0E9vZgMFO7wvHcyrEiD_@mail.gmail.com>	<4CF778F4.4040202@jenikovo.com>	<35329.147.32.223.15.1291287467.squirrel@webmail.amset.sk>
	<57794.147.32.96.159.1291585870.squirrel@webmail.amset.sk>
Message-ID: <4CFC1993.4060409@4safety.cz>

Ahoj,
jeden HP-UX server by se hodil, pokud na tom je nejakej pozdejsi HP UX
tak mam zajem.

Lui

Dne 5.12.2010 22:51, oliver at amset.sk napsal(a):
> Tak som na to pozeral, su to servre rp7400 a rp5430.
> Presne neviem co maju v nutri, strasne sa mi to nechce zapinat :)
> 
> Oliver
> 
>> Ahoj,
>>
>> mame dva volne, starsie servre HP. Jeden 4-procesorovy, druhy
>> 2- procesorovy. Hucia ako lietadlo, ich presne modely si nepamatam.
>> Bezi na nich HP-UX najvyssia verzia. Oba su plne funkcne.
>>
>> Ak by ste o ne mali zaujem, pozrel by som sa na ich presne oznacenie
>> a kludne Vam ich aj doveziem. Inak asi pojdu na srot.
>>
>> Mali  by ste o ne zaujem?
>>
>> Oliver
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Brmlab mailing list
>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab


From pasky at ucw.cz  Mon Dec  6 01:32:07 2010
From: pasky at ucw.cz (Petr Baudis)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 01:32:07 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Pinball workshop / hosting in Prague
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=LJRO77q9c_5NTVbXK8U-JzyVVBaJ9RCpWqe3X@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=LJRO77q9c_5NTVbXK8U-JzyVVBaJ9RCpWqe3X@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101206003207.GX9230@machine.or.cz>

  Hi!

  We are looking forward to meeting you, and glad you're going to stop
by at brmlab!

  Please use brmlab at brmlab.cz for communication instead of explicitly
listing random e-mail addresses, though. :-)

On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 03:41:50PM +0100, Felipe Sanches wrote:
> I've been trying to translate these messages from the mailing list into
> english by using "google translate" but it is very hard to understand. Could
> you please send me some messages in english? It would make it easier to sort
> out the details of my hosting in Prague (from december 6th until december
> 12th) and also would make it easier to define the time&date for our pinball
> hacking workshop at brmlab.

  We're assuming that Cestmir is in communication with you now and you
have all the contact details needed; someone volunteered to give you
a place to stay at and it seems the best time to have a more detailed
talk will be on Tuesday. (I hope someone knowing more details will
update the wiki and send out a real announcement!)

  (If you wish, a teaser on Monday would be cool too, but there is
another invited talk already scheduled so nothing longer than few
minutes will probably work.)

> PS: just in case you haven't seen it yet:
> http://jucablues.blogspot.com/2010/12/pinball-hacking-in-vienna-i-am.html

  Sweet! Please be aware that we hack in much humbler conditions in
brmlab for the time being. :-)

-- 
				Petr "Pasky" Baudis
The true meaning of life is to plant a tree under whose shade
you will never sit.


From juca at members.fsf.org  Mon Dec  6 01:57:34 2010
From: juca at members.fsf.org (Felipe Sanches)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 01:57:34 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Pinball workshop / hosting in Prague
In-Reply-To: <20101206003207.GX9230@machine.or.cz>
References: <AANLkTi=LJRO77q9c_5NTVbXK8U-JzyVVBaJ9RCpWqe3X@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101206003207.GX9230@machine.or.cz>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=5CL5PZG6cKOjNJjuxThR43Pq1XTb5CJFa94ue@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:32 AM, Petr Baudis <pasky at ucw.cz> wrote:

>  Hi!
>
>  We are looking forward to meeting you, and glad you're going to stop
> by at brmlab!
>
>  Please use brmlab at brmlab.cz for communication instead of explicitly
> listing random e-mail addresses, though. :-)
>

yeah, I know... I tried subscribing. I actually receive messages that people
send to the list, but for some unknown reason my messages do not reach the
list. I get a message about list moderation saying that the list is
members-only...

That's why I picked a few explicit email addresses. Just to make sure my
message would reach list members in time.



>
> On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 03:41:50PM +0100, Felipe Sanches wrote:
> > I've been trying to translate these messages from the mailing list into
> > english by using "google translate" but it is very hard to understand.
> Could
> > you please send me some messages in english? It would make it easier to
> sort
> > out the details of my hosting in Prague (from december 6th until december
> > 12th) and also would make it easier to define the time&date for our
> pinball
> > hacking workshop at brmlab.
>
>   We're assuming that Cestmir is in communication with you now and you
> have all the contact details needed; someone volunteered to give you
> a place to stay at and it seems the best time to have a more detailed
> talk will be on Tuesday. (I hope someone knowing more details will
> update the wiki and send out a real announcement!)
>
>  (If you wish, a teaser on Monday would be cool too, but there is
> another invited talk already scheduled so nothing longer than few
> minutes will probably work.)
>
> OK, Tuesday sounds good to me.


> > PS: just in case you haven't seen it yet:
> >
> http://jucablues.blogspot.com/2010/12/pinball-hacking-in-vienna-i-am.html
>
>   Sweet! Please be aware that we hack in much humbler conditions in
> brmlab for the time being. :-)
>
> --
>                                Petr "Pasky" Baudis
> The true meaning of life is to plant a tree under whose shade
> you will never sit.
>
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From ruza at ruza.eu  Mon Dec  6 10:14:27 2010
From: ruza at ruza.eu (Pavel Ruzicka)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 10:14:27 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] nejake novinky
Message-ID: <4CFCA973.9000504@ruza.eu>

Neco malo novinek abyste vedeli ze se neco deje

- Interne ted mame DNS domenu "brm"

- Server "brmko.brm" (od Axe) jsem preinstaloval z 32bit na 64bit
(Ubuntu Server 10.04 LTS). Tento server je ted hlavni interni DNS a DHCP
server. Krome toho ze drzi domenu "brm" jeste zajistuje rezoluce pro
domenu "hack" coz je vnitrni domena ChaosVPN.

ruza at azur:~$ cat /etc/resolv.conf
nameserver 192.168.1.20
domain brm
search brm
ruza at azur:~$ host wrt.brm
wrt.brm has address 192.168.1.1
ruza at azur:~$ host morpheus.hack
morpheus.hack has address 172.31.98.128

- ChaosVPN jsem presunul do VirtualBox virtualu chaos.brm beziciho na
brmko. Je to Debian Lenny a zajistuje konektvitu do ChaosVPN. Ucty a
hesla jsou "standartni". Zatim jsem nedonutil DHCP poslat klientovi i
statickou routu, muzete si nastavit routu statickou.. nebo to v tom
dhcpd odladit za mne :)
# route add -net 172.31.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 gw 192.168.1.21
# route add -net 10.100.0.0 netmask 255.252.0.0 gw 192.168.1.21

- Navstivil jsem IKEA a poridil nejake drobnosti kterych uz jste si tu
mozna vsimli. Dvojice umelohmotnych kuchynskych "prkenek", tri kuchynske
noze. Zaroven jsem si domu poridil novy stojan na satstvo, takze ten
ktery jsem puvodne prinesl jen na party uz v brmalbu necham k uzivani
stejne jak drobnosti driv jmenovane.

ruza

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From sargonout at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 10:27:35 2010
From: sargonout at gmail.com (Tomislav Arnaudov)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 10:27:35 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] servre HP?
In-Reply-To: <4CFC1993.4060409@4safety.cz>
References: <AANLkTinDmuR_72pX0YEgq6qcrodnSN6gWYudbxtoRvLa@mail.gmail.com>
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	<35329.147.32.223.15.1291287467.squirrel@webmail.amset.sk>
	<57794.147.32.96.159.1291585870.squirrel@webmail.amset.sk>
	<4CFC1993.4060409@4safety.cz>
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ja by som sa tiez rad pozrel popripade sa o tom nieco priucil :)

Sargon

2010/12/6 Miroslav Ludvik <miroslav.ludvik at 4safety.cz>

> Ahoj,
> jeden HP-UX server by se hodil, pokud na tom je nejakej pozdejsi HP UX
> tak mam zajem.
>
> Lui
>
> Dne 5.12.2010 22:51, oliver at amset.sk napsal(a):
> > Tak som na to pozeral, su to servre rp7400 a rp5430.
> > Presne neviem co maju v nutri, strasne sa mi to nechce zapinat :)
> >
> > Oliver
> >
> >> Ahoj,
> >>
> >> mame dva volne, starsie servre HP. Jeden 4-procesorovy, druhy
> >> 2- procesorovy. Hucia ako lietadlo, ich presne modely si nepamatam.
> >> Bezi na nich HP-UX najvyssia verzia. Oba su plne funkcne.
> >>
> >> Ak by ste o ne mali zaujem, pozrel by som sa na ich presne oznacenie
> >> a kludne Vam ich aj doveziem. Inak asi pojdu na srot.
> >>
> >> Mali  by ste o ne zaujem?
> >>
> >> Oliver
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Brmlab mailing list
> >> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> >> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Brmlab mailing list
> > Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> > http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>
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From suchan.tomas at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 10:29:18 2010
From: suchan.tomas at gmail.com (Tomas Suchan)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 10:29:18 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] servre HP?
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A co ty servery hodit do brmlabu a uvidime ?
Dne 2010 12 6 10:27 "Tomislav Arnaudov" <sargonout at gmail.com> napsal(a):
> ja by som sa tiez rad pozrel popripade sa o tom nieco priucil :)
>
> Sargon
>
> 2010/12/6 Miroslav Ludvik <miroslav.ludvik at 4safety.cz>
>
>> Ahoj,
>> jeden HP-UX server by se hodil, pokud na tom je nejakej pozdejsi HP UX
>> tak mam zajem.
>>
>> Lui
>>
>> Dne 5.12.2010 22:51, oliver at amset.sk napsal(a):
>> > Tak som na to pozeral, su to servre rp7400 a rp5430.
>> > Presne neviem co maju v nutri, strasne sa mi to nechce zapinat :)
>> >
>> > Oliver
>> >
>> >> Ahoj,
>> >>
>> >> mame dva volne, starsie servre HP. Jeden 4-procesorovy, druhy
>> >> 2- procesorovy. Hucia ako lietadlo, ich presne modely si nepamatam.
>> >> Bezi na nich HP-UX najvyssia verzia. Oba su plne funkcne.
>> >>
>> >> Ak by ste o ne mali zaujem, pozrel by som sa na ich presne oznacenie
>> >> a kludne Vam ich aj doveziem. Inak asi pojdu na srot.
>> >>
>> >> Mali by ste o ne zaujem?
>> >>
>> >> Oliver
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Brmlab mailing list
>> >> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> >> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Brmlab mailing list
>> > Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> > http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>> _______________________________________________
>> Brmlab mailing list
>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>
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From axtheb at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 12:58:40 2010
From: axtheb at gmail.com (Ax)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:58:40 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] servre HP?
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2010/12/6 Tomas Suchan <suchan.tomas at gmail.com>:
> A co ty servery hodit do brmlabu a uvidime ?

Kdyz se budeme ridit timhle mottem tak se tam zachvili nehnem.

Ax


From suchan.tomas at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 13:08:57 2010
From: suchan.tomas at gmail.com (Tomas Suchan)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 13:08:57 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] servre HP?
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Tak zlikvidovat jdou vzdycky....
Dne 2010 12 6 13:02 "Ax" <axtheb at gmail.com> napsal(a):
> 2010/12/6 Tomas Suchan <suchan.tomas at gmail.com>:
>> A co ty servery hodit do brmlabu a uvidime ?
>
> Kdyz se budeme ridit timhle mottem tak se tam zachvili nehnem.
>
> Ax
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
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From jakub.hybler at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 14:23:47 2010
From: jakub.hybler at gmail.com (Jakub)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 14:23:47 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] servre HP?
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ja beru i "srot"


Jjh

On 6.12.2010, at 13:08, Tomas Suchan <suchan.tomas at gmail.com> wrote:

> Tak zlikvidovat jdou vzdycky....
>
> Dne 2010 12 6 13:02 "Ax" <axtheb at gmail.com> napsal(a):
> > 2010/12/6 Tomas Suchan <suchan.tomas at gmail.com>:
> >> A co ty servery hodit do brmlabu a uvidime ?
> >
> > Kdyz se budeme ridit timhle mottem tak se tam zachvili nehnem.
> >
> > Ax
> > _______________________________________________
> > Brmlab mailing list
> > Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> > http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
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From pasky at ucw.cz  Mon Dec  6 14:35:25 2010
From: pasky at ucw.cz (Petr Baudis)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 14:35:25 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] servre HP?
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Message-ID: <20101206133525.GE9230@machine.or.cz>

On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 12:58:40PM +0100, Ax wrote:
> 2010/12/6 Tomas Suchan <suchan.tomas at gmail.com>:
> > A co ty servery hodit do brmlabu a uvidime ?
> 
> Kdyz se budeme ridit timhle mottem tak se tam zachvili nehnem.

Soude dle poctu zajemcu asi celkem dobre bude fungovat si takovou vec
vzit a kdyz nas prestane bavit, vyhlasit, ze za tyden jde do kontejneru
a nechat si ji nkeoho odnest.

-- 
				Petr "Pasky" Baudis
The true meaning of life is to plant a tree under whose shade
you will never sit.


From ruza at ruza.eu  Mon Dec  6 14:41:32 2010
From: ruza at ruza.eu (Pavel Ruzicka)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 14:41:32 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] fpga cluster
Message-ID: <4CFCE80C.2050001@ruza.eu>

ahoj,

broadcastuju informace, ktere uz jsem nekterym rikal i osobne.

Pokud byste mel nekdo zajem je tu moznost se zapojit do ruznych aktivit
kolem webu airdump.cz (v podstate asi cokoliv co vas bude bavit a bude
cilene do okruhu lidi kteri se kolem tohoto webu pohybuji). Presnejsi
info je asi schopny podat Marian Herceg aka brmlab ISP.

Ze stejneho smeru k nam zaval napad ze by nam bylo zafinancovan FPGA
cluster, na kterem by se dalo zkouset lecos pocitat, lamat, z nasi
strany se ocekava ze pro to najdeme rozumne/sexy vyuziti.

Mimojine mne napadlo ze kdyz uz mame v brmlabu konecne funkcni ChaosVPN
kde jsou zapojene hackerspaces z celeho sveta tak bysme mohli pristup k
takovemu vypocetnimu vykonu poskytovat jako vnitrni sluzbu tehle site.
Co vy na to?

ruza

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From rainbof at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 16:11:49 2010
From: rainbof at gmail.com (Ondrej Beranek)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 16:11:49 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] servre HP?
In-Reply-To: <20101206133525.GE9230@machine.or.cz>
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D?ky. :)

Dne 6.12.2010 14:35 "Petr Baudis" <pasky at ucw.cz> napsal/a:

On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 12:58:40PM +0100, Ax wrote:
> 2010/12/6 Tomas Suchan <suchan.tomas at gmail.com...
Soude dle poctu zajemcu asi celkem dobre bude fungovat si takovou vec
vzit a kdyz nas prestane bavit, vyhlasit, ze za tyden jde do kontejneru
a nechat si ji nkeoho odnest.

--
                               Petr "Pasky" Baudis
The true meaning of life is to plant a tree under whose shade
you will never sit.

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From stick at gk2.sk  Mon Dec  6 16:25:55 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 16:25:55 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] =?iso-8859-2?q?Reg=E1ly_a_police?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=YmqUUP1k80UU_Jt35OOeR+sCnAgG1jXcMZYu8@mail.gmail.com>
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Ahoj vatoz!

Mame nejake nove info?

On 23/11/10 22:57, Pavol Rusnak wrote:
> Ahoj!
> 
> Bavili sme sa na meetupu a brmlab ma zaujem o 10 malych regalov
> (50x92) a 5 velkych (60x100). Blackhead (cte tento mailinglist) ma
> zaujem o vsetky ostatne regaly + presklenne skrine pre svoje muzeum.
> Jedna z moznosti je previezt a uskladnit vsetky regaly v brmlabu,
> zvysne si Blackhead odveze po tom, co si pocet ktory chceme odobereme.
> Vzhladom k poctu regalov je asi rozumne vsetky rozobrat a preniest do
> brmlabu rozlozene. Netusim ako vyriesit presklenne skrine, ci sa daju
> rozumne rozobrat. Co musime spravit z nasej strany aby to bolo co
> najpohodlnejsie pre vsetky zucastnene strany?
> 
> Diky!
> 
> 2010/11/19 Vaclav Cerny <vatoz at seznam.cz>:
>> Ano,
>> vymyslete to pros?m.
>> P?edpokl?d?m, ?e na dv?r se d? zajet v?cem?n? kdykoli (kdy? se d? av?zo
>> vr?tn?mu...). J? budu te? t?den ve Francii, netu??m, kdy p?esn? bude pro
>> muzeum dopravce v tom dal??m t?dnu jezdit- ale nab?zel, ?e by to mohl vz?t
>> t?eba r?no "p?ed muzeem" - v?cem?n? zadarmo. Zm??te a spo??tejte plochu a
>> po?et, je asi ?ikovn? vz?t jeden navrch na zahu?t?n? polic...
>> Pokud mi d?te v?d?t po?et a typ (p?ipom?n?m ?e jsou dv? velikosti),
>> pravd?podobn? bych to tam mohl slo?it na dv?r i jen s dopravcem - s t?m ?e
>> pak se to n?jak na?oupe dovnit? /vyto?? skrz dve?e/atd. t?eba p?ed meetupem.
>> Ostatn? - nad proch?zen?m skrz dve?e se taky m??ete zamyslet. Pokud p?ijdete
>> na to, ?e to skrz tak jako tak neprojde, pak by m?lo mo?n? smysl to rozebrat
>> u? tady a skl?dat na m?st?.
>> vatoz
>>
>> Dne 19.11.2010 12:27, Petr Baudis napsal(a):
>>>
>>>   Ahoj!
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 03:51:38PM +0100, Vaclav Cerny wrote:
>>>>
>>>> promluvil jsem se zodpov?dnou osobou a m?me p?isl?ben? reg?ly.
>>>> Bylo by je mo?n? p?evz?t prvn? t?den v prosinci, na meetupu zkuste
>>>> vymyslet, kolik a jak?ch bude pot?eba.
>>>> V tuto chv?li jsem vid?l dvoje reg?ly - oboje v??ka 200, ???ky 92 a
>>>> 100, hloubky 50 a 60   - obou je ur?it? 20 (?ili v?c ne? hodn?).
>>>> Dal?? mo?n? nab?dka jsou prosklen? sk??n? (asi nep??li? praktick?)
>>>> ?*v*h 90*95*50  (cm).
>>>
>>>   Jeste do meetupu si take zkuste rozmyslet, kde vlastne ty skrine
>>> budeme chtit. Jenom ve skladu? Jeste jinde? A kde vlastne? :-)
>>>
>>>> Na http://ntm.unas.cz/thumb.html  se m??ete pod?vat sami.
>>>> Zkus?m je?t? zjistit od dopravce, kter? voz? v?ci Avii? pro n?s, na
>>>> kolik by p?i?la doprava k dop. podnik?m. Reg?ly v Technick?m muzeu -
>>>> ?ili je to kous??ek.
>>>
>>>   Moc se tesim, diky, ze to ogranizujes!
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Brmlab mailing list
>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>


From ruza at ruza.eu  Mon Dec  6 23:34:18 2010
From: ruza at ruza.eu (Pavel Ruzicka)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 23:34:18 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] internet v brmlabu
Message-ID: <4CFD64EA.6060103@ruza.eu>

ahoj,

fyi, ChaosVPN jsem vypnul dokud nebude opravena nase linka do Internetu,
ktera je momentalne temer nepouzitelna kvuli rychle se opakujicim vypadkum.

ruza

-- 
e-mail:  ruza at ruza.eu
www:   http://ruza.eu
     http://brmlab.cz



From rainbof at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 21:10:37 2010
From: rainbof at gmail.com (Ondrej Beranek)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 21:10:37 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Info
Message-ID: <AANLkTins29xO=xTLm3mzQjJZiAcA46-wLYdrRrBBNZgB@mail.gmail.com>

Vyt?hli jsme kolegu na jedno. P?edn??ka v ciz?m jazyce Ho dostala. Poprosil
bych jestli mi nap??ete a? skon?? p?edn??ka.
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From stick at gk2.sk  Mon Dec  6 23:41:56 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 23:41:56 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] =?iso-8859-1?q?Pinball_Hacking_and_S=E3o_Paulo_Hackerspa?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?ce_Introduction?=
Message-ID: <4CFD66B4.4020507@gk2.sk>

Ahoj!

Felipe Sanchez z Brazilie nam zajtra (v utorok) o 19:00 porozprava o 
hackovani pinball stolov a hackerspace, ktory pomahal zakladat v Sao Paulo.

Viac info na: http://brmlab.cz/event/pinball_brazil

PS: Klasicky meetup sa bude konat po prednaske. (V pripade potreby - z 
clenov Rady bude aj tak pritomny iba ruza).

-- 
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>


From wajrou at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 23:56:10 2010
From: wajrou at gmail.com (wajrou wiroe)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 23:56:10 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Deskova hra Go - 13.12. 19:00
In-Reply-To: <20101204171947.GJ9230@machine.or.cz>
References: <20101204171947.GJ9230@machine.or.cz>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinxkCTi8kQQJt2tau2ag99eng8hriXMUZzc2-EK@mail.gmail.com>

Ahoj,
tak na Go konecne uz prijdu :) a vezmu sebou i jeden goban s
plastovymi kameny :)

Dne 4. prosince 2010 18:19 Petr Baudis <pasky at ucw.cz> napsal(a):
> ?Ahoj!
>
> ?V pondeli 13.12. od 19:00 budeme v brmlabu predvadet, ucit a hrat
> skvelou deskovou hru Go. Pravidla a zakladni taktiku vysvetli Martin
> Reindl 3d, pasky a chido si s Vami take radi zahraji!
>
> ?Krome hry samotne Vam radi povime i neco o historii a kulture kolem
> teto asijske hry, zrejme vubec nejstarsi deskove hry na svete. Pasky
> muze vysvetlit, proc Go stale zadny program nedokaze hrat na mistrovske
> urovni, a jake algoritmy se osvedcuji nejvice.
>
> ?Prineseme take ukazat aktualni vysledek projektu Live Wire Go Board;
> pokud nechcete, elektricke soky do vas vsak poustet nebudeme. ;-)
>
> ?Chcete-li prijit, ocenime, odpovite-li radkem na tento mail, abychom
> vedeli, zda je o lekci Go vubec zajem a hlavne kolik mame sehnat hraciho
> materialu.
>
> ?Viz take: http://brmlab.cz/event/go
>
> ?Pekny vecer,
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Petr "Pasky" Baudis
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>



-- 
Tomas Goldir
E-mail: tomas.goldir at gmail.com


From pasky at ucw.cz  Tue Dec  7 00:18:29 2010
From: pasky at ucw.cz (Petr Baudis)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 00:18:29 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] [Brmlab Announce] Deskova hra Go - 13.12. 19:00
In-Reply-To: <20101204171947.GJ9230@machine.or.cz>
References: <20101204171947.GJ9230@machine.or.cz>
Message-ID: <20101206231829.GM9230@machine.or.cz>

  Ahoj!

On Sat, Dec 04, 2010 at 06:19:47PM +0100, Petr Baudis wrote:
>   Chcete-li prijit, ocenime, odpovite-li radkem na tento mail, abychom
> vedeli, zda je o lekci Go vubec zajem a hlavne kolik mame sehnat hraciho
> materialu.

  Zatim se nam ozval jen Wajrou - bylo by fajn, kdybyste se ozvali tak
treba do stredy, abychom meli nejakou predstavu. Pokud si nejste jisti,
nebo Vas Go zajima, ale tenhle termin se Vam nehodi, napiste nam taky
(vcetne kdy se Vam to zhruba hodi), udelame dalsi session nekdy zacatkem
ledna.

  Peknou noc,

				Petr "Pasky" Baudis


From TSuchan at seznam.cz  Tue Dec  7 01:49:47 2010
From: TSuchan at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Tom=E1=B9=20Suchan?=)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 01:49:47 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Brmlab] Fotky - prednaska neurofyziologie
Message-ID: <15675.4989.12895-22748-1315133820-1291682986@seznam.cz>

Zdar lidi, posilam slibovany link na dnesni fotky.

Omluvte prosim kvalitu materialu: fotak dedecek + siroka predsadka + vysoke ISO atd.....

http://www.asrg.cz/2010_11_07_Prednaska_NeuroFyzilogie.tar.gz

Kdyby byl jakykoliv problem, pisnete....

PS: Jo, a rad bych se stal clenem, co pro to mohu udelat ?, tedy mimo zaslani zadosti rade ?

Zatim........

TomSuch


From stick at gk2.sk  Tue Dec  7 02:52:34 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 02:52:34 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Prednaska 6.12. - Uvod do neurofyziologickeho vyzkumu
In-Reply-To: <20101201124711.GU4023@machine.or.cz>
References: <20101201124711.GU4023@machine.or.cz>
Message-ID: <4CFD9362.1070900@gk2.sk>

On 01/12/10 13:47, Petr Baudis wrote:
> Prijdte v hojnem poctu, pozvete i dalsi potencialni zajemce!

Prednaska bola skvela, dakujeme! Tomasove fotky su dostupne aj na
cerstvo zriadenom brmlab flickri:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/brmlab/sets/72157625545923100/


-- 
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>


From ruza at ruza.eu  Tue Dec  7 07:34:32 2010
From: ruza at ruza.eu (Pavel Ruzicka)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 07:34:32 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Server
In-Reply-To: <4CDAB163.9090206@centrum.cz>
References: <4CDAB163.9090206@centrum.cz>
Message-ID: <4CFDD578.3020503@ruza.eu>

Tak tento server mame od vcerejska, kdy jsem ho privezl, v Brmlabu. 
Poznate ho podle toho ze zabira spoustu mista a je tezsi nez cokoliv v 
jeho okoli.

ruza

On 11/10/2010 03:51 PM, Tomas Holenda wrote:
> Ahoj,
> Ale mam moznost ziskat chodivy 4U server s 12xSATA diskama, akorat je
> potreba zajistit odvoz z Barrandova (areal filmovych studii).
>
> SysOp.


From rainbof at gmail.com  Tue Dec  7 09:34:31 2010
From: rainbof at gmail.com (Ondrej Beranek)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 09:34:31 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Fotky - prednaska neurofyziologie
In-Reply-To: <15675.4989.12895-22748-1315133820-1291682986@seznam.cz>
References: <15675.4989.12895-22748-1315133820-1291682986@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikaPqZDMde-6DnipzXh15PLhwXXcS6BE0FDxpEP@mail.gmail.com>

Posles zadost, prijdes na mettup kde bude pritomna i rada, oni ti daji
clensky id, tam posles prispevek a rada te pri nejblizsi prilezitosti
formalne odhlasuje jako prijatyho. (nemuzes se stat clenem bez zaplaceni
prispevku)

O.

Dne 7. prosince 2010 1:49 Tom?? Suchan <TSuchan at seznam.cz> napsal(a):

> Zdar lidi, posilam slibovany link na dnesni fotky.
>
> Omluvte prosim kvalitu materialu: fotak dedecek + siroka predsadka + vysoke
> ISO atd.....
>
> http://www.asrg.cz/2010_11_07_Prednaska_NeuroFyzilogie.tar.gz
>
> Kdyby byl jakykoliv problem, pisnete....
>
> PS: Jo, a rad bych se stal clenem, co pro to mohu udelat ?, tedy mimo
> zaslani zadosti rade ?
>
> Zatim........
>
> TomSuch
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
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From zember at gmail.com  Tue Dec  7 11:46:58 2010
From: zember at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Martin_=C5=BDember?=)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 11:46:58 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] [Brmlab Announce] Deskova hra Go - 13.12. 19:00
In-Reply-To: <20101206231829.GM9230@machine.or.cz>
References: <20101204171947.GJ9230@machine.or.cz>
	<20101206231829.GM9230@machine.or.cz>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikQwSKnBe-6pftTkwhrdNC5yUPub1bF6TPvNMno@mail.gmail.com>

Ahoj,
r?d bych p?i?el (v jin? term?n, nap?. za??tkem ledna; krom? 5.1. a 13.1.).
Martin

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Petr Baudis <pasky at ucw.cz> wrote:
> ?Ahoj!
>
> On Sat, Dec 04, 2010 at 06:19:47PM +0100, Petr Baudis wrote:
>> ? Chcete-li prijit, ocenime, odpovite-li radkem na tento mail, abychom
>> vedeli, zda je o lekci Go vubec zajem a hlavne kolik mame sehnat hraciho
>> materialu.
>
> ?Zatim se nam ozval jen Wajrou - bylo by fajn, kdybyste se ozvali tak
> treba do stredy, abychom meli nejakou predstavu. Pokud si nejste jisti,
> nebo Vas Go zajima, ale tenhle termin se Vam nehodi, napiste nam taky
> (vcetne kdy se Vam to zhruba hodi), udelame dalsi session nekdy zacatkem
> ledna.
>
> ?Peknou noc,
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Petr "Pasky" Baudis
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>


From axtheb at gmail.com  Tue Dec  7 20:03:39 2010
From: axtheb at gmail.com (Ax)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 20:03:39 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] internet v brmlabu
In-Reply-To: <4CFD64EA.6060103@ruza.eu>
References: <4CFD64EA.6060103@ruza.eu>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=+C+EcndkeLF3HnC0_SPnpnrxjamYmimzQ0zn7@mail.gmail.com>

Net v brmlabu je uplne nepouzitelnej.

Tady to jde jeste dobre:
--- 10.25.16.130 ping statistics ---
8 packets transmitted, 8 received, 0% packet loss, time 7010ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 5.409/24.994/75.385/25.370 ms

o hop dale uz je to horsi
--- 10.25.11.1 ping statistics ---
85 packets transmitted, 41 received, 51% packet loss, time 84353ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 18.107/117.139/289.602/59.999 ms

Dal uz se to zas tak nezhorsuje zda se, akorat rtt nechutne stoupa.

Ax


On 12/6/10, Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:
> ahoj,
>
> fyi, ChaosVPN jsem vypnul dokud nebude opravena nase linka do Internetu,
> ktera je momentalne temer nepouzitelna kvuli rychle se opakujicim vypadkum.
>
> ruza
>
> --
> e-mail:  ruza at ruza.eu
> www:   http://ruza.eu
>      http://brmlab.cz
>
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>


From TSuchan at seznam.cz  Wed Dec  8 00:58:43 2010
From: TSuchan at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Tom=E1=B9=20Suchan?=)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 00:58:43 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Brmlab] Fotky z 6.11.2010
Message-ID: <15718.4398.12925-18534-768667220-1291766322@seznam.cz>

Opetovne par skromnych, nekvalitnich fotek, at je videt ze se neco deje...

http://www.asrg.cz/2010_11_07_PrednaskaPinBallHacking.tar.gz

S pozdravem....

TomSuch


From stick at gk2.sk  Wed Dec  8 01:17:52 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 01:17:52 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab]
 =?iso-8859-1?q?Pinball_Hacking_and_S=E3o_Paulo_Hackerspa?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?ce_Introduction?=
In-Reply-To: <4CFD66B4.4020507@gk2.sk>
References: <4CFD66B4.4020507@gk2.sk>
Message-ID: <4CFECEB0.30008@gk2.sk>

On 06/12/10 23:41, Pavol Rusnak wrote:
> Ahoj!
> 
> Felipe Sanchez z Brazilie nam zajtra (v utorok) o 19:00 porozprava o
> hackovani pinball stolov a hackerspace, ktory pomahal zakladat v Sao Paulo.
> 
> Viac info na: http://brmlab.cz/event/pinball_brazil

Fotky z prednasky (vdaka Tomasovi) teraz uz aj na flickri -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/brmlab/sets/72157625552569352/

-- 
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>


From TSuchan at seznam.cz  Wed Dec  8 14:36:21 2010
From: TSuchan at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Tom=E1=B9=20Suchan?=)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 14:36:21 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Brmlab] =?iso-8859-2?q?ASRG_-_BRMLAB_experimental_session_=2301_?=
	=?iso-8859-2?q?-_Zji=B9=BBov=E1n=ED_z=E1jmu_a_=FA=E8asti=2E=2E=2E?=
	=?iso-8859-2?q?=2E=2E=2E?=
Message-ID: <15738.4398.12934-30652-1461179043-1291815380@seznam.cz>

Ahoj v?em,

pln? si uv?domuji ?e je to na rychlo ale tato mo?nost se vyskytla naprosto ne?ekan? a je ?asov? omezena.  Jde o to, ?e teoreticky budu m?t od p?tku do soboty k dispozici t?m?? kompletn? t?m ASRG, co? by n?m umo?nilo uva?it experiment?ln? pojatou p?edn??ku. Vzaly by jsme dobrovoln?ka, p?ipojily na hromadu p??stroj? a p?edvedly p?r zaj?mav?ch experiment?. Pokud by to umo?nily auto?i projektu PinBrm tak by se to mohlo uskute?nit p?tek - ve?er nebo sobota.

Zat?m zji??uji ??ast a z?jem....

Pros?m p??padn? z?jemce + autory projektu PinBrm o vyj?d?en?. Nap??klad: m?m ?as v p?tek. Nem?m ?as ale nechi o to p?ij?t. Atd...

Je to organizov?no takto na rychlo jeliko? mo?nost m?t n?? t?m pohromad? nen? moc ?ast?....

D?kuji v?em....

TomSuch


From blackhead at blackhead.cz  Wed Dec  8 15:16:24 2010
From: blackhead at blackhead.cz (George Blackhead)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 15:16:24 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] =?iso-8859-2?q?Reg=E1ly_a_police?=
In-Reply-To: <4CFD0083.6070604@gk2.sk>
Message-ID: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHIEKDDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>

Ozval se nekomu Vatoz?
Je tu nekdo kdo ho zna a ma na nej nejaky jiny kontakt?

Diky predem za info...
BH

-----Original Message-----
From: brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz [mailto:brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz]On
Behalf Of Pavol Rusnak
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 4:26 PM
To: vatoz at seznam.cz
Cc: Brmlab: Hackerspace Prague (main discussion)
Subject: Re: [Brmlab] Reg?ly a police


Ahoj vatoz!

Mame nejake nove info?

On 23/11/10 22:57, Pavol Rusnak wrote:
> Ahoj!
>
> Bavili sme sa na meetupu a brmlab ma zaujem o 10 malych regalov
> (50x92) a 5 velkych (60x100). Blackhead (cte tento mailinglist) ma
> zaujem o vsetky ostatne regaly + presklenne skrine pre svoje muzeum.
> Jedna z moznosti je previezt a uskladnit vsetky regaly v brmlabu,
> zvysne si Blackhead odveze po tom, co si pocet ktory chceme odobereme.
> Vzhladom k poctu regalov je asi rozumne vsetky rozobrat a preniest do
> brmlabu rozlozene. Netusim ako vyriesit presklenne skrine, ci sa daju
> rozumne rozobrat. Co musime spravit z nasej strany aby to bolo co
> najpohodlnejsie pre vsetky zucastnene strany?
>
> Diky!
>
> 2010/11/19 Vaclav Cerny <vatoz at seznam.cz>:
>> Ano,
>> vymyslete to pros?m.
>> P?edpokl?d?m, ?e na dv?r se d? zajet v?cem?n? kdykoli (kdy? se d? av?zo
>> vr?tn?mu...). J? budu te? t?den ve Francii, netu??m, kdy p?esn? bude pro
>> muzeum dopravce v tom dal??m t?dnu jezdit- ale nab?zel, ?e by to mohl
vz?t
>> t?eba r?no "p?ed muzeem" - v?cem?n? zadarmo. Zm??te a spo??tejte plochu a
>> po?et, je asi ?ikovn? vz?t jeden navrch na zahu?t?n? polic...
>> Pokud mi d?te v?d?t po?et a typ (p?ipom?n?m ?e jsou dv? velikosti),
>> pravd?podobn? bych to tam mohl slo?it na dv?r i jen s dopravcem - s t?m
?e
>> pak se to n?jak na?oupe dovnit? /vyto?? skrz dve?e/atd. t?eba p?ed
meetupem.
>> Ostatn? - nad proch?zen?m skrz dve?e se taky m??ete zamyslet. Pokud
p?ijdete
>> na to, ?e to skrz tak jako tak neprojde, pak by m?lo mo?n? smysl to
rozebrat
>> u? tady a skl?dat na m?st?.
>> vatoz
>>
>> Dne 19.11.2010 12:27, Petr Baudis napsal(a):
>>>
>>>   Ahoj!
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 03:51:38PM +0100, Vaclav Cerny wrote:
>>>>
>>>> promluvil jsem se zodpov?dnou osobou a m?me p?isl?ben? reg?ly.
>>>> Bylo by je mo?n? p?evz?t prvn? t?den v prosinci, na meetupu zkuste
>>>> vymyslet, kolik a jak?ch bude pot?eba.
>>>> V tuto chv?li jsem vid?l dvoje reg?ly - oboje v??ka 200, ???ky 92 a
>>>> 100, hloubky 50 a 60   - obou je ur?it? 20 (?ili v?c ne? hodn?).
>>>> Dal?? mo?n? nab?dka jsou prosklen? sk??n? (asi nep??li? praktick?)
>>>> ?*v*h 90*95*50  (cm).
>>>
>>>   Jeste do meetupu si take zkuste rozmyslet, kde vlastne ty skrine
>>> budeme chtit. Jenom ve skladu? Jeste jinde? A kde vlastne? :-)
>>>
>>>> Na http://ntm.unas.cz/thumb.html  se m??ete pod?vat sami.
>>>> Zkus?m je?t? zjistit od dopravce, kter? voz? v?ci Avii? pro n?s, na
>>>> kolik by p?i?la doprava k dop. podnik?m. Reg?ly v Technick?m muzeu -
>>>> ?ili je to kous??ek.
>>>
>>>   Moc se tesim, diky, ze to ogranizujes!
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Brmlab mailing list
>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>
>
>
>


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Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>
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From czestmyr at gmail.com  Wed Dec  8 16:04:26 2010
From: czestmyr at gmail.com (Cestmir Houska)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:04:26 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab]
	=?iso-8859-2?q?ASRG_-_BRMLAB_experimental_session_=2301_?=
	=?iso-8859-2?q?-_Zji=B9=BBov=E1n=ED_z=E1jmu_a_=FA=E8asti=2E=2E=2E?=
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References: <15738.4398.12934-30652-1461179043-1291815380@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinNdskAAKvgLCQ6jKqfmmWFPFS27qxpk2wzFr=F@mail.gmail.com>

Ahoj, ukazalo se, ze o PinBrm zase takovej zajem neni, takze nam staci
klidne vedlejsi mistnost. A naopak se radi t aky podivame na neco
zajimavyho.

Czestmyr

2010/12/8 Tom?? Suchan <TSuchan at seznam.cz>

> Ahoj v?em,
>
> pln? si uv?domuji ?e je to na rychlo ale tato mo?nost se vyskytla naprosto
> ne?ekan? a je ?asov? omezena.  Jde o to, ?e teoreticky budu m?t od p?tku do
> soboty k dispozici t?m?? kompletn? t?m ASRG, co? by n?m umo?nilo uva?it
> experiment?ln? pojatou p?edn??ku. Vzaly by jsme dobrovoln?ka, p?ipojily na
> hromadu p??stroj? a p?edvedly p?r zaj?mav?ch experiment?. Pokud by to
> umo?nily auto?i projektu PinBrm tak by se to mohlo uskute?nit p?tek - ve?er
> nebo sobota.
>
> Zat?m zji??uji ??ast a z?jem....
>
> Pros?m p??padn? z?jemce + autory projektu PinBrm o vyj?d?en?. Nap??klad:
> m?m ?as v p?tek. Nem?m ?as ale nechi o to p?ij?t. Atd...
>
> Je to organizov?no takto na rychlo jeliko? mo?nost m?t n?? t?m pohromad?
> nen? moc ?ast?....
>
> D?kuji v?em....
>
> TomSuch
> _______________________________________________
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> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
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From mybiiter at gmail.com  Wed Dec  8 19:51:37 2010
From: mybiiter at gmail.com (BIITER)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 19:51:37 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab]
	=?utf-8?q?ASRG_-_BRMLAB_experimental_session_=2301_-_Zji?=
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mam cas vic v sobotu nez v patek. nechci o to prijit.

2010/12/8 Tom?? Suchan <TSuchan at seznam.cz>:
> Ahoj v?em,
>
> pln? si uv?domuji ?e je to na rychlo ale tato mo?nost se vyskytla naprosto ne?ekan? a je ?asov? omezena. ?Jde o to, ?e teoreticky budu m?t od p?tku do soboty k dispozici t?m?? kompletn? t?m ASRG, co? by n?m umo?nilo uva?it experiment?ln? pojatou p?edn??ku. Vzaly by jsme dobrovoln?ka, p?ipojily na hromadu p??stroj? a p?edvedly p?r zaj?mav?ch experiment?. Pokud by to umo?nily auto?i projektu PinBrm tak by se to mohlo uskute?nit p?tek - ve?er nebo sobota.
>
> Zat?m zji??uji ??ast a z?jem....
>
> Pros?m p??padn? z?jemce + autory projektu PinBrm o vyj?d?en?. Nap??klad: m?m ?as v p?tek. Nem?m ?as ale nechi o to p?ij?t. Atd...
>
> Je to organizov?no takto na rychlo jeliko? mo?nost m?t n?? t?m pohromad? nen? moc ?ast?....
>
> D?kuji v?em....
>
> TomSuch
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>


From ruza at ruza.eu  Wed Dec  8 20:03:54 2010
From: ruza at ruza.eu (Pavel Ruzicka)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 20:03:54 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab]
 =?utf-8?q?ASRG_-_BRMLAB_experimental_session_=2301_-_Zji?=
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References: <15738.4398.12934-30652-1461179043-1291815380@seznam.cz>
	<AANLkTimKuUp20zO1pRBQfEzPw973g5S1vK+kOc_RYxKC@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CFFD69A.6090800@ruza.eu>

zajem je

On 12/08/2010 07:51 PM, BIITER wrote:
> mam cas vic v sobotu nez v patek. nechci o to prijit.


From chidori at emptytriangle.com  Wed Dec  8 20:54:22 2010
From: chidori at emptytriangle.com (Radka Haneckova)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 20:54:22 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab]
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References: <15738.4398.12934-30652-1461179043-1291815380@seznam.cz>
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	<4CFFD69A.6090800@ruza.eu>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimM-nY7SKgyYy6vFTdMkhVNDbD15r5rNrjUDjCT@mail.gmail.com>

tiez mam cas skor v sobotu ako v piatok, ale neviem ako na tom budem s
povinnostami. zaujem by bol, s casom je to bohuzial horsie :)

2010/12/8 Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu>:
> zajem je
>
> On 12/08/2010 07:51 PM, BIITER wrote:
>> mam cas vic v sobotu nez v patek. nechci o to prijit.
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>



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the most important time in your life."? ? Lewis Wolpert


From pasky at ucw.cz  Wed Dec  8 22:36:19 2010
From: pasky at ucw.cz (Petr Baudis)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 22:36:19 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Pinbrm
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinNdskAAKvgLCQ6jKqfmmWFPFS27qxpk2wzFr=F@mail.gmail.com>
References: <15738.4398.12934-30652-1461179043-1291815380@seznam.cz>
	<AANLkTinNdskAAKvgLCQ6jKqfmmWFPFS27qxpk2wzFr=F@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101208213619.GS9230@machine.or.cz>

  Ahoj!

On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 04:04:26PM +0100, Cestmir Houska wrote:
> Ahoj, ukazalo se, ze o PinBrm zase takovej zajem neni, takze nam staci
> klidne vedlejsi mistnost. A naopak se radi t aky podivame na neco
> zajimavyho.

  Ja bohuzel nestiham, vim, ze chido mela o pinball zajem, ale asi ji to
tenhle tyden taky zrovna casove nesedne... Kazdopadne velmi ocenime info
o tom, jak se Vam hackuje, kdo vsechno si vlastne s pinballem hraje,
atd.! Pripadne hazejte fotky treba na soup.brmlab.cz.

				Petr "Pasky" Baudis


From blackhead at blackhead.cz  Thu Dec  9 00:57:25 2010
From: blackhead at blackhead.cz (George Blackhead)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 00:57:25 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] SteamPunk - geekovina pro staromilce
Message-ID: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHKEKEDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>

Tohle je jen video z nejake party, nahodou objevene na YT. Ale doporucuju ke
shlednuti a pokud Vas to zaujima, myslim, ze muzem neco takovyho vyrobit.
Jen me samotnymu to nejak neucarovalo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBoJYT1aKhk&feature=spotlight

SteamPunk muzete znat z filmu jako "Svet zitrka", "Liga vyjimecnych", "Wild
wild west", nebo z japonskych anime, jako treba "Sakura".



From pasky at ucw.cz  Thu Dec  9 01:26:13 2010
From: pasky at ucw.cz (Petr Baudis)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 01:26:13 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] SteamPunk - geekovina pro staromilce
In-Reply-To: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHKEKEDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
References: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHKEKEDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
Message-ID: <20101209002612.GT9230@machine.or.cz>

On Thu, Dec 09, 2010 at 12:57:25AM +0100, George Blackhead wrote:
> Tohle je jen video z nejake party, nahodou objevene na YT. Ale doporucuju ke
> shlednuti a pokud Vas to zaujima, myslim, ze muzem neco takovyho vyrobit.
> Jen me samotnymu to nejak neucarovalo.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBoJYT1aKhk&feature=spotlight

Nejblize podobnym vecem pro mne ma wireless power transfer (vzpominky na
Teslu ;-), neco typu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiNEHZRm4z4 maji
treba i v c-base (jako soucast bezneho osvetleni) a mohlo by to byt
relativne snadne na postaveni.

				Petr "Pasky" Baudis


From stick at gk2.sk  Thu Dec  9 01:30:30 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 01:30:30 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] SteamPunk - geekovina pro staromilce
In-Reply-To: <20101209002612.GT9230@machine.or.cz>
References: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHKEKEDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
	<20101209002612.GT9230@machine.or.cz>
Message-ID: <4D002326.9010407@gk2.sk>

On 09/12/10 01:26, Petr Baudis wrote:
>> Tohle je jen video z nejake party, nahodou objevene na YT. Ale doporucuju ke
>> shlednuti a pokud Vas to zaujima, myslim, ze muzem neco takovyho vyrobit.
>> Jen me samotnymu to nejak neucarovalo.

Mne sa velmi pacil tento steampunk gramofon:

* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSiVWkk5zaQ

(a plusove body autorovi, ze na tom fakt pusta punk :D)

-- 
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>


From czestmyr at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 02:20:06 2010
From: czestmyr at gmail.com (Cestmir Houska)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 02:20:06 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] SteamPunk - geekovina pro staromilce
In-Reply-To: <20101209002612.GT9230@machine.or.cz>
References: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHKEKEDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
	<20101209002612.GT9230@machine.or.cz>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimv8BML5PFNNgkNQdvS9bfdf3u7oovCOSW9hPHn@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Nejblize podobnym vecem pro mne ma wireless power transfer (vzpominky na
> Teslu ;-), neco typu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiNEHZRm4z4 maji
> treba i v c-base (jako soucast bezneho osvetleni) a mohlo by to byt
> relativne snadne na postaveni.
>
Ja jsem neco podobnyho (zarovky v trubkach) tady v mailing listu uz
navrhoval ;-)

Czestmyr
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From ruza at ruza.eu  Thu Dec  9 08:33:09 2010
From: ruza at ruza.eu (Pavel Ruzicka)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 08:33:09 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] laser projector night session hacking
Message-ID: <4D008635.7040407@ruza.eu>

brm :)

nejak jsme se tu, v brmlabu, s Felipe Sanchezem, TomSuchem a Czestmyrem
zasekli pres noc protoze nas chytila myslenka na zreverse-engineerovani
USB komunikace zarizeni ktere Tomas doted pouzival na laser show.
Samotne lasery jsou Tomasuv DIY, ale prevodnik je hardwarove i
softwareove (iShow) bohuzel proprietarni a nevyziva plne moznosti laser
projektoru. Analyzou posilanych dat jsme se propracovali k vykreslovani
primek a bezierovych krivek, nasledne i k ovladani barev. Prvni trochu
koukatelneho efektu jsme dosahli nekdy po jedne v noci [2]. Dnes nad
ranem se nam tu rodi celkem pouzitelna gamesa pro nostalgiky [3] :)
Aktualni vyvoj lze sledovat na [4]


[1]
http://www.chinesedepartmentstore.com.cn/osc/product_info.php/products_id/1915

[2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y-L1X5feho

[3] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC16TLzHivw

[4] svn checkout http://felipesanches.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/laserdisplay/

-- 
e-mail:  ruza at ruza.eu
www:   http://ruza.eu
     http://brmlab.cz


From johny at 2600.cz  Thu Dec  9 10:32:23 2010
From: johny at 2600.cz (JoHnY)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 10:32:23 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab]
 =?utf-8?q?ASRG_-_BRMLAB_experimental_session_=2301_-_Zji?=
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References: <15738.4398.12934-30652-1461179043-1291815380@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <20101209103223.328f8829.johny@2600.cz>

Ja by som zaujem sa zucastnit mal, ale momentalne lezim v posteli a je mi uplne nahovno takze zajtra ani pozajtra to asi nebude o moc lepsie :-(

On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 14:36:21 +0100 (CET)
Tom?? Suchan <TSuchan at seznam.cz> wrote:

> Ahoj v?em,
> 
> pln? si uv?domuji ?e je to na rychlo ale tato mo?nost se vyskytla
> naprosto ne?ekan? a je ?asov? omezena.  Jde o to, ?e teoreticky
> budu m?t od p?tku do soboty k dispozici t?m?? kompletn? t?m ASRG,
> co? by n?m umo?nilo uva?it experiment?ln? pojatou p?edn??ku. Vzaly
> by jsme dobrovoln?ka, p?ipojily na hromadu p??stroj? a p?edvedly
> p?r zaj?mav?ch experiment?. Pokud by to umo?nily auto?i projektu
> PinBrm tak by se to mohlo uskute?nit p?tek - ve?er nebo sobota.
> 
> Zat?m zji??uji ??ast a z?jem....
> 
> Pros?m p??padn? z?jemce + autory projektu PinBrm o vyj?d?en?.
> Nap??klad: m?m ?as v p?tek. Nem?m ?as ale nechi o to p?ij?t. Atd...
> 
> Je to organizov?no takto na rychlo jeliko? mo?nost m?t n?? t?m
> pohromad? nen? moc ?ast?....
> 
> D?kuji v?em....
> 
> TomSuch
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab


 


From TSuchan at seznam.cz  Thu Dec  9 22:46:54 2010
From: TSuchan at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Tom=E1=B9=20Suchan?=)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 22:46:54 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Brmlab] ASRG - BRMLAB experimental session #01 - Prozatim zruseno
In-Reply-To: <49785.89.176.108.54.1291891043.squirrel@mail2.biomed.cas.cz>
Message-ID: <15828.4398.13001-2397-1429727876-1291931214@seznam.cz>

Z duvodu male ucasti tuto akci zatim rusime.

Dekuji za vsechny reakce. Az to bude aktualni, budu informovat.....


TomSuch



> ------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------
> Od:  <tnt at biomed.cas.cz>
> P?edm?t: Re: ASRG - BRMLAB experimental session #01 - Zji??ov?n? z?jmu a
> ??asti......
> Datum: 09.12.2010 11:37:26
> ----------------------------------------
> Ahoj, je mozne, ze v patek vecer budu na vikend pryc, ale pokud neodjedu,
> rada bych se prisla podivat. Das mi prosim vedet, az bude jasne, kdy se to
> bude konat?
> A sobota vecer jsem urcite mimo ;(
> 
> t
> 
> 
> > Ahoj v?em,
> >
> > pln? si uv?domuji ?e je to na rychlo ale tato mo?nost se vyskytla naprosto
> > ne?ekan? a je ?asov? omezena.  Jde o to, ?e teoreticky budu m?t od p?tku
> > do soboty k dispozici t?m?? kompletn? t?m ASRG, co? by n?m umo?nilo uva?it
> > experiment?ln? pojatou p?edn??ku. Vzaly by jsme dobrovoln?ka, p?ipojily na
> > hromadu p??stroj? a p?edvedly p?r zaj?mav?ch experiment?. Pokud by to
> > umo?nily auto?i projektu PinBrm tak by se to mohlo uskute?nit p?tek -
> > ve?er nebo sobota.
> >
> > Zat?m zji??uji ??ast a z?jem....
> >
> > Pros?m p??padn? z?jemce + autory projektu PinBrm o vyj?d?en?. Nap??klad:
> > m?m ?as v p?tek. Nem?m ?as ale nechi o to p?ij?t. Atd...
> >
> > Je to organizov?no takto na rychlo jeliko? mo?nost m?t n?? t?m pohromad?
> > nen? moc ?ast?....
> >
> > D?kuji v?em....
> >
> > TomSuch
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


From blackhead at blackhead.cz  Fri Dec 10 00:28:19 2010
From: blackhead at blackhead.cz (George Blackhead)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 00:28:19 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Project - brmbit computer
Message-ID: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHOEKGDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>

Brm!

Zjistuji zajem o participovani na projektu vytvoreni brmbitoveho, pardon
osmibitoveho pocitace vlastni konstrukce, postaveneho pouze z TTL obvodu
nizsi integrace.

Zejmena CPU bych chtel realizovat obvody maximalne stredni slozitosti,
hradla, posuvne registry, scitacky, citace... Pouze pamet hodlam realizovat
jednocipove, zkratka pouzit nejaky SRAM cip, treba neco jako 6264 (8x8k
64kb=8kB), vse ostatni realizovat treba i jednotlivymi hradly, kdyz to
nebude zbytecne slozite...

Ale chtel bych cele CPU a ruzne IO obvody resit proste jen TTL logikou.

Vysledkem by mel byt programovatelny osmibitovy mikropocitac, s nekolika
(2-1024) kilobajty pameti, pripadne i s eeprom/flash pameti na ulozeni
programu. Jako vystupni zarizeni bych chtel treba jen nekolik LED
sedmisegmentovek, nebo Hitachi LCD displej, 16x2, ten uz taky mam. Jako
vstup treba jen jednoducha klavesnice z nekolika tlacitek, rekneme asi
20-30, podobne, jako to ma Tesla PMI-80.

Realizace bude probihat pouze na nepajivych kontaktnich polich, blokove. Cim
vic, tim lip. Bude to vypadat mega cool! Za to rucim! :-D

Vzhledem k tomu, ze bude ucelem projektu navrhnout i ALU a vlastne celou
architekturu CPU (nepujde o klon konkretniho jadra), tak je otazka, jakou
slozitost storojoveho kodu mu implementujeme. Ale v podstate neco jako
BrainFuck by mohlo stacit... ;-)

TAK KDO MA ZAJEM?

A nehlaste se vsichni...
BH


P.S.: Na pristi Brmeetup vezmu pametovy blok 4x4bity, postaveny jen z hradel
NAND a invertoru (7400 a 7404). Uz ho mam skoro hotovy. Ukazu Vam na nem,
jak vlastne pameti funguji na urovni hradel... Pokud to tedy nekoho
zajima... ;-)



From jakub.hybler at gmail.com  Fri Dec 10 00:32:04 2010
From: jakub.hybler at gmail.com (jakub hybler)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 00:32:04 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Project - brmbit computer
In-Reply-To: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHOEKGDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
References: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHOEKGDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik042FA1RUNSk-8KDT7H1UHBhuK7uBp8aspvJ81@mail.gmail.com>

brmbrm, a
 bude to velky jako stul s H0 modelovou zeleznici...
hlasim se jako dokumentator a animator videosequenci preletu nad
hradlovejma megapolema,
beze srandy, mam zajem a hlasim se o zpracovani visualni stranky
kubicekh


Dne 10. prosince 2010 0:28 George Blackhead <blackhead at blackhead.cz> napsal(a):
> Brm!
>
> Zjistuji zajem o participovani na projektu vytvoreni brmbitoveho, pardon
> osmibitoveho pocitace vlastni konstrukce, postaveneho pouze z TTL obvodu
> nizsi integrace.
>
> Zejmena CPU bych chtel realizovat obvody maximalne stredni slozitosti,
> hradla, posuvne registry, scitacky, citace... Pouze pamet hodlam realizovat
> jednocipove, zkratka pouzit nejaky SRAM cip, treba neco jako 6264 (8x8k
> 64kb=8kB), vse ostatni realizovat treba i jednotlivymi hradly, kdyz to
> nebude zbytecne slozite...
>
> Ale chtel bych cele CPU a ruzne IO obvody resit proste jen TTL logikou.
>
> Vysledkem by mel byt programovatelny osmibitovy mikropocitac, s nekolika
> (2-1024) kilobajty pameti, pripadne i s eeprom/flash pameti na ulozeni
> programu. Jako vystupni zarizeni bych chtel treba jen nekolik LED
> sedmisegmentovek, nebo Hitachi LCD displej, 16x2, ten uz taky mam. Jako
> vstup treba jen jednoducha klavesnice z nekolika tlacitek, rekneme asi
> 20-30, podobne, jako to ma Tesla PMI-80.
>
> Realizace bude probihat pouze na nepajivych kontaktnich polich, blokove. Cim
> vic, tim lip. Bude to vypadat mega cool! Za to rucim! :-D
>
> Vzhledem k tomu, ze bude ucelem projektu navrhnout i ALU a vlastne celou
> architekturu CPU (nepujde o klon konkretniho jadra), tak je otazka, jakou
> slozitost storojoveho kodu mu implementujeme. Ale v podstate neco jako
> BrainFuck by mohlo stacit... ;-)
>
> TAK KDO MA ZAJEM?
>
> A nehlaste se vsichni...
> BH
>
>
> P.S.: Na pristi Brmeetup vezmu pametovy blok 4x4bity, postaveny jen z hradel
> NAND a invertoru (7400 a 7404). Uz ho mam skoro hotovy. Ukazu Vam na nem,
> jak vlastne pameti funguji na urovni hradel... Pokud to tedy nekoho
> zajima... ;-)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>


From klusacek at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz  Fri Dec 10 01:07:19 2010
From: klusacek at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (David Klusacek)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 01:07:19 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Project - brmbit computer
In-Reply-To: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHOEKGDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
References: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHOEKGDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
Message-ID: <20101210000719.GA14311@localhost.dummy.net>


Dobrej napad. Skoda ze mam tak malo casu, takze se muzu zucastnit jen jako
pozorovatel. 

> Zejmena CPU bych chtel realizovat obvody maximalne stredni slozitosti,
> hradla, posuvne registry, scitacky, citace... Pouze pamet hodlam realizovat

Povolis si taky EPROMky? Daji se pouzit treba pro mikrokod, nebo v nich
muzes mit ulozeno 8 mnohavstupych log. funkci (coz se muze hodit pokud si
zakazes pouzivat PAL a pokrocilejsi hradlova pole).


> Realizace bude probihat pouze na nepajivych kontaktnich polich, blokove. Cim
> vic, tim lip. Bude to vypadat mega cool! Za to rucim! :-D

A bude to na tech polich fungovat? Ja kdyz jsem na prumce delal zvukovku
(asi 30 TTL integracu), tak to bylo samopajecim dratem na univerzalni desce.
Nepajivym polim jsme tehdy prezdivali nekontaktni pole a zavrhl jsem je hned
ze zacatku. Ale co ja vim, treba se dnes uz ty kontakty samovolne
nerozpojujou.

 
> Vzhledem k tomu, ze bude ucelem projektu navrhnout i ALU a vlastne celou
> architekturu CPU (nepujde o klon konkretniho jadra), tak je otazka, jakou
> slozitost storojoveho kodu mu implementujeme. Ale v podstate neco jako
> BrainFuck by mohlo stacit... ;-)

Pokusis se o pipelinovany (RISC) procesor (instrukce za takt), nebo spis
tradicni mikrokodovany (kazda instrukce za n taktu, n>=2)?

Kazdopadne preju mnoho uspechu.

David



From mybiiter at gmail.com  Fri Dec 10 01:39:41 2010
From: mybiiter at gmail.com (BIITER)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 01:39:41 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Deskova hra Go - 13.12. 19:00
In-Reply-To: <20101204171947.GJ9230@machine.or.cz>
References: <20101204171947.GJ9230@machine.or.cz>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimJF0tXGC_OzFajV-c5skEHQMshF7=Ai_a7ZG84@mail.gmail.com>

count me in

2010/12/4 Petr Baudis <pasky at ucw.cz>:
> ?Ahoj!
>
> ?V pondeli 13.12. od 19:00 budeme v brmlabu predvadet, ucit a hrat
> skvelou deskovou hru Go. Pravidla a zakladni taktiku vysvetli Martin
> Reindl 3d, pasky a chido si s Vami take radi zahraji!
>
> ?Krome hry samotne Vam radi povime i neco o historii a kulture kolem
> teto asijske hry, zrejme vubec nejstarsi deskove hry na svete. Pasky
> muze vysvetlit, proc Go stale zadny program nedokaze hrat na mistrovske
> urovni, a jake algoritmy se osvedcuji nejvice.
>
> ?Prineseme take ukazat aktualni vysledek projektu Live Wire Go Board;
> pokud nechcete, elektricke soky do vas vsak poustet nebudeme. ;-)
>
> ?Chcete-li prijit, ocenime, odpovite-li radkem na tento mail, abychom
> vedeli, zda je o lekci Go vubec zajem a hlavne kolik mame sehnat hraciho
> materialu.
>
> ?Viz take: http://brmlab.cz/event/go
>
> ?Pekny vecer,
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Petr "Pasky" Baudis
> _______________________________________________
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>


From blackhead at blackhead.cz  Fri Dec 10 03:25:39 2010
From: blackhead at blackhead.cz (George Blackhead)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 03:25:39 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Project - brmbit computer
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik042FA1RUNSk-8KDT7H1UHBhuK7uBp8aspvJ81@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHAEKIDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>

OK, mas to mit... ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz [mailto:brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz]On Behalf Of
jakub hybler
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:32 AM
To: Brmlab: Hackerspace Prague (main discussion)
Subject: Re: [Brmlab] Project - brmbit computer


brmbrm, a
 bude to velky jako stul s H0 modelovou zeleznici...
hlasim se jako dokumentator a animator videosequenci preletu nad
hradlovejma megapolema,
beze srandy, mam zajem a hlasim se o zpracovani visualni stranky
kubicekh


Dne 10. prosince 2010 0:28 George Blackhead <blackhead at blackhead.cz>
napsal(a):
> Brm!
>
> Zjistuji zajem o participovani na projektu vytvoreni brmbitoveho, pardon
> osmibitoveho pocitace vlastni konstrukce, postaveneho pouze z TTL obvodu
> nizsi integrace.
>
> Zejmena CPU bych chtel realizovat obvody maximalne stredni slozitosti,
> hradla, posuvne registry, scitacky, citace... Pouze pamet hodlam
realizovat
> jednocipove, zkratka pouzit nejaky SRAM cip, treba neco jako 6264 (8x8k
> 64kb=8kB), vse ostatni realizovat treba i jednotlivymi hradly, kdyz to
> nebude zbytecne slozite...
>
> Ale chtel bych cele CPU a ruzne IO obvody resit proste jen TTL logikou.
>
> Vysledkem by mel byt programovatelny osmibitovy mikropocitac, s nekolika
> (2-1024) kilobajty pameti, pripadne i s eeprom/flash pameti na ulozeni
> programu. Jako vystupni zarizeni bych chtel treba jen nekolik LED
> sedmisegmentovek, nebo Hitachi LCD displej, 16x2, ten uz taky mam. Jako
> vstup treba jen jednoducha klavesnice z nekolika tlacitek, rekneme asi
> 20-30, podobne, jako to ma Tesla PMI-80.
>
> Realizace bude probihat pouze na nepajivych kontaktnich polich, blokove.
Cim
> vic, tim lip. Bude to vypadat mega cool! Za to rucim! :-D
>
> Vzhledem k tomu, ze bude ucelem projektu navrhnout i ALU a vlastne celou
> architekturu CPU (nepujde o klon konkretniho jadra), tak je otazka, jakou
> slozitost storojoveho kodu mu implementujeme. Ale v podstate neco jako
> BrainFuck by mohlo stacit... ;-)
>
> TAK KDO MA ZAJEM?
>
> A nehlaste se vsichni...
> BH
>
>
> P.S.: Na pristi Brmeetup vezmu pametovy blok 4x4bity, postaveny jen z
hradel
> NAND a invertoru (7400 a 7404). Uz ho mam skoro hotovy. Ukazu Vam na nem,
> jak vlastne pameti funguji na urovni hradel... Pokud to tedy nekoho
> zajima... ;-)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>
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From blackhead at blackhead.cz  Fri Dec 10 03:27:28 2010
From: blackhead at blackhead.cz (George Blackhead)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 03:27:28 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Project - brmbit computer
In-Reply-To: <20101210000719.GA14311@localhost.dummy.net>
Message-ID: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHGEKIDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>

Tak EPROM, ani PAL, ani nic podobneho prave pouzivat nechci... Kdyby EPROM,
tak jen na programovou/datovou pamet, ale to uz spis tu EEPROM. Vsechno
ostatni hezky 74xx-74xxx! ;-)

Ja osobne je za nekontaktni nepovazuju, povazuju je za nekonfliktni...
Uvidis 30+ zapojeni, kdyz se dostavis na uterni sraz. Prinesu 4x4 bit pamet.
Odhadem 38 TTL 7400/7404.
Plus ovladaci tlacitka a kontrolky... ;-)

BH

-----Original Message-----
From: brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz [mailto:brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz]On Behalf Of
David Klusacek
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 1:07 AM
To: Brmlab: Hackerspace Prague (main discussion)
Subject: Re: [Brmlab] Project - brmbit computer



Dobrej napad. Skoda ze mam tak malo casu, takze se muzu zucastnit jen jako
pozorovatel.

> Zejmena CPU bych chtel realizovat obvody maximalne stredni slozitosti,
> hradla, posuvne registry, scitacky, citace... Pouze pamet hodlam
realizovat

Povolis si taky EPROMky? Daji se pouzit treba pro mikrokod, nebo v nich
muzes mit ulozeno 8 mnohavstupych log. funkci (coz se muze hodit pokud si
zakazes pouzivat PAL a pokrocilejsi hradlova pole).


> Realizace bude probihat pouze na nepajivych kontaktnich polich, blokove.
Cim
> vic, tim lip. Bude to vypadat mega cool! Za to rucim! :-D

A bude to na tech polich fungovat? Ja kdyz jsem na prumce delal zvukovku
(asi 30 TTL integracu), tak to bylo samopajecim dratem na univerzalni desce.
Nepajivym polim jsme tehdy prezdivali nekontaktni pole a zavrhl jsem je hned
ze zacatku. Ale co ja vim, treba se dnes uz ty kontakty samovolne
nerozpojujou.


> Vzhledem k tomu, ze bude ucelem projektu navrhnout i ALU a vlastne celou
> architekturu CPU (nepujde o klon konkretniho jadra), tak je otazka, jakou
> slozitost storojoveho kodu mu implementujeme. Ale v podstate neco jako
> BrainFuck by mohlo stacit... ;-)

Pokusis se o pipelinovany (RISC) procesor (instrukce za takt), nebo spis
tradicni mikrokodovany (kazda instrukce za n taktu, n>=2)?

Kazdopadne preju mnoho uspechu.

David

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From mybiiter at gmail.com  Fri Dec 10 04:17:22 2010
From: mybiiter at gmail.com (BIITER)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 04:17:22 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Project - brmbit computer
In-Reply-To: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHOEKGDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
References: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHOEKGDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimPCwpQP6OjotvXZjR2y40nzd5Y=M63KS3kujZx@mail.gmail.com>

minimalne bych se chtel ucastnit procesu navrhu, s realizaci uvidim

2010/12/10 George Blackhead <blackhead at blackhead.cz>:
> Brm!
>
> Zjistuji zajem o participovani na projektu vytvoreni brmbitoveho, pardon
> osmibitoveho pocitace vlastni konstrukce, postaveneho pouze z TTL obvodu
> nizsi integrace.
>
> Zejmena CPU bych chtel realizovat obvody maximalne stredni slozitosti,
> hradla, posuvne registry, scitacky, citace... Pouze pamet hodlam realizovat
> jednocipove, zkratka pouzit nejaky SRAM cip, treba neco jako 6264 (8x8k
> 64kb=8kB), vse ostatni realizovat treba i jednotlivymi hradly, kdyz to
> nebude zbytecne slozite...
>
> Ale chtel bych cele CPU a ruzne IO obvody resit proste jen TTL logikou.
>
> Vysledkem by mel byt programovatelny osmibitovy mikropocitac, s nekolika
> (2-1024) kilobajty pameti, pripadne i s eeprom/flash pameti na ulozeni
> programu. Jako vystupni zarizeni bych chtel treba jen nekolik LED
> sedmisegmentovek, nebo Hitachi LCD displej, 16x2, ten uz taky mam. Jako
> vstup treba jen jednoducha klavesnice z nekolika tlacitek, rekneme asi
> 20-30, podobne, jako to ma Tesla PMI-80.
>
> Realizace bude probihat pouze na nepajivych kontaktnich polich, blokove. Cim
> vic, tim lip. Bude to vypadat mega cool! Za to rucim! :-D
>
> Vzhledem k tomu, ze bude ucelem projektu navrhnout i ALU a vlastne celou
> architekturu CPU (nepujde o klon konkretniho jadra), tak je otazka, jakou
> slozitost storojoveho kodu mu implementujeme. Ale v podstate neco jako
> BrainFuck by mohlo stacit... ;-)
>
> TAK KDO MA ZAJEM?
>
> A nehlaste se vsichni...
> BH
>
>
> P.S.: Na pristi Brmeetup vezmu pametovy blok 4x4bity, postaveny jen z hradel
> NAND a invertoru (7400 a 7404). Uz ho mam skoro hotovy. Ukazu Vam na nem,
> jak vlastne pameti funguji na urovni hradel... Pokud to tedy nekoho
> zajima... ;-)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>


From blackhead at blackhead.cz  Fri Dec 10 05:02:48 2010
From: blackhead at blackhead.cz (George Blackhead)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 05:02:48 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Project - brmbit computer
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimPCwpQP6OjotvXZjR2y40nzd5Y=M63KS3kujZx@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHOEKIDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>

Samozrejme jde hlavne o navrh... :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz [mailto:brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz]On Behalf Of
BIITER
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 4:17 AM
To: Brmlab: Hackerspace Prague (main discussion)
Subject: Re: [Brmlab] Project - brmbit computer


minimalne bych se chtel ucastnit procesu navrhu, s realizaci uvidim

2010/12/10 George Blackhead <blackhead at blackhead.cz>:
> Brm!
>
> Zjistuji zajem o participovani na projektu vytvoreni brmbitoveho, pardon
> osmibitoveho pocitace vlastni konstrukce, postaveneho pouze z TTL obvodu
> nizsi integrace.
>
> Zejmena CPU bych chtel realizovat obvody maximalne stredni slozitosti,
> hradla, posuvne registry, scitacky, citace... Pouze pamet hodlam
realizovat
> jednocipove, zkratka pouzit nejaky SRAM cip, treba neco jako 6264 (8x8k
> 64kb=8kB), vse ostatni realizovat treba i jednotlivymi hradly, kdyz to
> nebude zbytecne slozite...
>
> Ale chtel bych cele CPU a ruzne IO obvody resit proste jen TTL logikou.
>
> Vysledkem by mel byt programovatelny osmibitovy mikropocitac, s nekolika
> (2-1024) kilobajty pameti, pripadne i s eeprom/flash pameti na ulozeni
> programu. Jako vystupni zarizeni bych chtel treba jen nekolik LED
> sedmisegmentovek, nebo Hitachi LCD displej, 16x2, ten uz taky mam. Jako
> vstup treba jen jednoducha klavesnice z nekolika tlacitek, rekneme asi
> 20-30, podobne, jako to ma Tesla PMI-80.
>
> Realizace bude probihat pouze na nepajivych kontaktnich polich, blokove.
Cim
> vic, tim lip. Bude to vypadat mega cool! Za to rucim! :-D
>
> Vzhledem k tomu, ze bude ucelem projektu navrhnout i ALU a vlastne celou
> architekturu CPU (nepujde o klon konkretniho jadra), tak je otazka, jakou
> slozitost storojoveho kodu mu implementujeme. Ale v podstate neco jako
> BrainFuck by mohlo stacit... ;-)
>
> TAK KDO MA ZAJEM?
>
> A nehlaste se vsichni...
> BH
>
>
> P.S.: Na pristi Brmeetup vezmu pametovy blok 4x4bity, postaveny jen z
hradel
> NAND a invertoru (7400 a 7404). Uz ho mam skoro hotovy. Ukazu Vam na nem,
> jak vlastne pameti funguji na urovni hradel... Pokud to tedy nekoho
> zajima... ;-)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>
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From jakub.hybler at gmail.com  Fri Dec 10 11:09:03 2010
From: jakub.hybler at gmail.com (jakub hybler)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 11:09:03 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Project - brmbit computer
In-Reply-To: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHOEKIDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
References: <AANLkTimPCwpQP6OjotvXZjR2y40nzd5Y=M63KS3kujZx@mail.gmail.com>
	<BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHOEKIDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimqVUAcTobM3RnqHpVMy1+Rkn8BKVL9VBa-jNkL@mail.gmail.com>

kde fyzicky to pak planujes poskladat??

nabizim se i treba k vyrobe propojovacich pentli mezi deskama :-]
...estetika....

10.12.10, George Blackhead <blackhead at blackhead.cz>:
> Samozrejme jde hlavne o navrh... :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz [mailto:brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz]On Behalf Of
> BIITER
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 4:17 AM
> To: Brmlab: Hackerspace Prague (main discussion)
> Subject: Re: [Brmlab] Project - brmbit computer
>
>
> minimalne bych se chtel ucastnit procesu navrhu, s realizaci uvidim
>
> 2010/12/10 George Blackhead <blackhead at blackhead.cz>:
>> Brm!
>>
>> Zjistuji zajem o participovani na projektu vytvoreni brmbitoveho, pardon
>> osmibitoveho pocitace vlastni konstrukce, postaveneho pouze z TTL obvodu
>> nizsi integrace.
>>
>> Zejmena CPU bych chtel realizovat obvody maximalne stredni slozitosti,
>> hradla, posuvne registry, scitacky, citace... Pouze pamet hodlam
> realizovat
>> jednocipove, zkratka pouzit nejaky SRAM cip, treba neco jako 6264 (8x8k
>> 64kb=8kB), vse ostatni realizovat treba i jednotlivymi hradly, kdyz to
>> nebude zbytecne slozite...
>>
>> Ale chtel bych cele CPU a ruzne IO obvody resit proste jen TTL logikou.
>>
>> Vysledkem by mel byt programovatelny osmibitovy mikropocitac, s nekolika
>> (2-1024) kilobajty pameti, pripadne i s eeprom/flash pameti na ulozeni
>> programu. Jako vystupni zarizeni bych chtel treba jen nekolik LED
>> sedmisegmentovek, nebo Hitachi LCD displej, 16x2, ten uz taky mam. Jako
>> vstup treba jen jednoducha klavesnice z nekolika tlacitek, rekneme asi
>> 20-30, podobne, jako to ma Tesla PMI-80.
>>
>> Realizace bude probihat pouze na nepajivych kontaktnich polich, blokove.
> Cim
>> vic, tim lip. Bude to vypadat mega cool! Za to rucim! :-D
>>
>> Vzhledem k tomu, ze bude ucelem projektu navrhnout i ALU a vlastne celou
>> architekturu CPU (nepujde o klon konkretniho jadra), tak je otazka, jakou
>> slozitost storojoveho kodu mu implementujeme. Ale v podstate neco jako
>> BrainFuck by mohlo stacit... ;-)
>>
>> TAK KDO MA ZAJEM?
>>
>> A nehlaste se vsichni...
>> BH
>>
>>
>> P.S.: Na pristi Brmeetup vezmu pametovy blok 4x4bity, postaveny jen z
> hradel
>> NAND a invertoru (7400 a 7404). Uz ho mam skoro hotovy. Ukazu Vam na nem,
>> jak vlastne pameti funguji na urovni hradel... Pokud to tedy nekoho
>> zajima... ;-)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Brmlab mailing list
>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


From chidori at emptytriangle.com  Fri Dec 10 12:35:16 2010
From: chidori at emptytriangle.com (Radka Haneckova)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:35:16 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] ASRG - BRMLAB experimental session #01 - Prozatim
	zruseno
In-Reply-To: <15828.4398.13001-2397-1429727876-1291931214@seznam.cz>
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	<15828.4398.13001-2397-1429727876-1291931214@seznam.cz>
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dufam ze sa to uskutocni niekedy inokedy :)

chido

2010/12/9 Tom?? Suchan <TSuchan at seznam.cz>:
> Z duvodu male ucasti tuto akci zatim rusime.
>
> Dekuji za vsechny reakce. Az to bude aktualni, budu informovat.....
>
>
> TomSuch
>
>
>
>> ------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------
>> Od: ?<tnt at biomed.cas.cz>
>> P?edm?t: Re: ASRG - BRMLAB experimental session #01 - Zji??ov?n? z?jmu a
>> ??asti......
>> Datum: 09.12.2010 11:37:26
>> ----------------------------------------
>> Ahoj, je mozne, ze v patek vecer budu na vikend pryc, ale pokud neodjedu,
>> rada bych se prisla podivat. Das mi prosim vedet, az bude jasne, kdy se to
>> bude konat?
>> A sobota vecer jsem urcite mimo ;(
>>
>> t
>>
>>
>> > Ahoj v?em,
>> >
>> > pln? si uv?domuji ?e je to na rychlo ale tato mo?nost se vyskytla naprosto
>> > ne?ekan? a je ?asov? omezena. ?Jde o to, ?e teoreticky budu m?t od p?tku
>> > do soboty k dispozici t?m?? kompletn? t?m ASRG, co? by n?m umo?nilo uva?it
>> > experiment?ln? pojatou p?edn??ku. Vzaly by jsme dobrovoln?ka, p?ipojily na
>> > hromadu p??stroj? a p?edvedly p?r zaj?mav?ch experiment?. Pokud by to
>> > umo?nily auto?i projektu PinBrm tak by se to mohlo uskute?nit p?tek -
>> > ve?er nebo sobota.
>> >
>> > Zat?m zji??uji ??ast a z?jem....
>> >
>> > Pros?m p??padn? z?jemce + autory projektu PinBrm o vyj?d?en?. Nap??klad:
>> > m?m ?as v p?tek. Nem?m ?as ale nechi o to p?ij?t. Atd...
>> >
>> > Je to organizov?no takto na rychlo jeliko? mo?nost m?t n?? t?m pohromad?
>> > nen? moc ?ast?....
>> >
>> > D?kuji v?em....
>> >
>> > TomSuch
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From mybiiter at gmail.com  Fri Dec 10 13:34:27 2010
From: mybiiter at gmail.com (BIITER)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 13:34:27 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] ASRG - BRMLAB experimental session #01 - Prozatim
	zruseno
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikBdoncDdv3B=67TRh=VM3CKhVrENpb476wxCT=@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49785.89.176.108.54.1291891043.squirrel@mail2.biomed.cas.cz>
	<15828.4398.13001-2397-1429727876-1291931214@seznam.cz>
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dtto

2010/12/10 Radka Haneckova <chidori at emptytriangle.com>:
> dufam ze sa to uskutocni niekedy inokedy :)
>
> chido
>
> 2010/12/9 Tom?? Suchan <TSuchan at seznam.cz>:
>> Z duvodu male ucasti tuto akci zatim rusime.
>>
>> Dekuji za vsechny reakce. Az to bude aktualni, budu informovat.....
>>
>>
>> TomSuch
>>
>>
>>
>>> ------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------
>>> Od: ?<tnt at biomed.cas.cz>
>>> P?edm?t: Re: ASRG - BRMLAB experimental session #01 - Zji??ov?n? z?jmu a
>>> ??asti......
>>> Datum: 09.12.2010 11:37:26
>>> ----------------------------------------
>>> Ahoj, je mozne, ze v patek vecer budu na vikend pryc, ale pokud neodjedu,
>>> rada bych se prisla podivat. Das mi prosim vedet, az bude jasne, kdy se to
>>> bude konat?
>>> A sobota vecer jsem urcite mimo ;(
>>>
>>> t
>>>
>>>
>>> > Ahoj v?em,
>>> >
>>> > pln? si uv?domuji ?e je to na rychlo ale tato mo?nost se vyskytla naprosto
>>> > ne?ekan? a je ?asov? omezena. ?Jde o to, ?e teoreticky budu m?t od p?tku
>>> > do soboty k dispozici t?m?? kompletn? t?m ASRG, co? by n?m umo?nilo uva?it
>>> > experiment?ln? pojatou p?edn??ku. Vzaly by jsme dobrovoln?ka, p?ipojily na
>>> > hromadu p??stroj? a p?edvedly p?r zaj?mav?ch experiment?. Pokud by to
>>> > umo?nily auto?i projektu PinBrm tak by se to mohlo uskute?nit p?tek -
>>> > ve?er nebo sobota.
>>> >
>>> > Zat?m zji??uji ??ast a z?jem....
>>> >
>>> > Pros?m p??padn? z?jemce + autory projektu PinBrm o vyj?d?en?. Nap??klad:
>>> > m?m ?as v p?tek. Nem?m ?as ale nechi o to p?ij?t. Atd...
>>> >
>>> > Je to organizov?no takto na rychlo jeliko? mo?nost m?t n?? t?m pohromad?
>>> > nen? moc ?ast?....
>>> >
>>> > D?kuji v?em....
>>> >
>>> > TomSuch
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>
>
>
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> the most important time in your life."? ? Lewis Wolpert
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From mybiiter at gmail.com  Fri Dec 10 15:00:47 2010
From: mybiiter at gmail.com (BIITER)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:00:47 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Annonce prednasek
In-Reply-To: <1290678851.5368.3.camel@taniquetil>
References: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHIEHLDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
	<1290678851.5368.3.camel@taniquetil>
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dzoe: urcite mam zajem + bych uvital dalsi temata z RE

2010/11/25 Dominik Joe Pant??ek <joe at joe.cz>:
>> 6) Datove struktury dnesniho sveta
>> Muj skalpel je hexadecimalni editor, moji pameti je internet, pitvam
>> nejruznejsi datove struktury a snazim se pochopit jejich strukturu. Muzu Vam
>> ukazat par zakladnich triku, par nejjistejsich zpusobu, jak prijit na to,
>> jaka data tu vlastne pred sebou mate, v tom "souboru neznameho formatu"...
>> Popisu zakladni datove struktury a datove typy, se kterymi se setkavaji
>> programatori, popisu nekolik desitek zakladnich typu souboru, podle pripony,
>> ale i podle obsahu, ukazu nekolik primitivnich zpusobu zakodovani obsahu.
>> XOR neni vsechno... ;-)
>
> K tomu bych j? mohl p?idat "datov? struktury minul?ho sv?ta".
> ? St?le m?m v pl?nu sepsat a odprezentovat reverse-engineering datov?ch
> soubor? hry Commander Keen (4-6). Je na tom kr?sn? vid?t poplatnost
> 16-bitov? dob?, nedostatek pam?ti a spousta n?pad?, jak v?ci ukl?dat
> ?sporn? a z?rove? je slu?ne rychle dok?zat na??st.
>
> A pochopiteln? pozd?ji se m??eme pod?vat na digit?ln? vys?l?n?. Ono to
> DVB-[TSC] nebo IPTV nab?r? docela na obr?tk?ch a v?ude se objevuj?
> ?l?nky o tom, jak se povedla digitalizace - ale nikde u? ?lov?k ne?te,
> jak stra?ideln? to vypad? uvnit? - pokud by byl z?jem, tohle je druh?
> t?ma, o kter?m bych si mohl n?co v dohledn? dob?p?ipravit.
>
>
> Joe
>
>
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From stick at gk2.sk  Sat Dec 11 02:17:26 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 02:17:26 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Brmlab odznaky
Message-ID: <4D02D126.3080704@gk2.sk>

Ahojte!

Prave som kecal s kamosom, ktory vo volnom case vyraba odznaky[1] a bol
by schopny a ochotny dodat viacmenej lubovolne mnozstvo za cca 12-13 Kc.
Donesiem jeden exemplar na meetup :-) . Ak by sme ich predavali po 20
Kc, tak by sme mali priblizne rovnaky business model ako pri trickach.
Bol by zaujem vytvorit taketo brmlab odznaky? (Samozrejme sa natiska
Roomba konektorove logo, ktore je uplne stvorene na taketo odznaky, ale
teoreticky je mozne vytvorit lubovolny pocet roznych dizajnov).
Thoughts? Ideas?

[1] http://www-static.weddingbee.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/24/1.jpg
(rozmer 1" ~ 24mm)

-- 
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>


From oliver at amset.sk  Sat Dec 11 02:25:25 2010
From: oliver at amset.sk (oliver at amset.sk)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 02:25:25 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] servre HP?
In-Reply-To: <20101206133525.GE9230@machine.or.cz>
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	<57794.147.32.96.159.1291585870.squirrel@webmail.amset.sk>
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	<AANLkTi=_dozXC4tmi5BwKQzt4AwVbr4AWwGeurL9hoJy@mail.gmail.com>
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Ok, tak ja by som Vam ich aj doviezol, aspon konecne uvidim brmlab :)
Co takto nedela vecer, vyhovovalo by?

Oli


On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 14:35:25 +0100, Petr Baudis <pasky at ucw.cz> wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 12:58:40PM +0100, Ax wrote:
>> 2010/12/6 Tomas Suchan <suchan.tomas at gmail.com>:
>> > A co ty servery hodit do brmlabu a uvidime ?
>>
>> Kdyz se budeme ridit timhle mottem tak se tam zachvili nehnem.
>
> Soude dle poctu zajemcu asi celkem dobre bude fungovat si takovou vec
> vzit a kdyz nas prestane bavit, vyhlasit, ze za tyden jde do kontejneru
> a nechat si ji nkeoho odnest.
>


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From ruza at ruza.eu  Sat Dec 11 02:51:02 2010
From: ruza at ruza.eu (Pavel Ruzicka)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 02:51:02 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] servre HP?
In-Reply-To: <op.vnizknr7ygnkb3@seath-49-pc.mk.cvut.cz>
References: <AANLkTinTSmGj8BstXp=EU7wWGprxPQRGZj9y7W9Z3jew@mail.gmail.com>	<4CF770B2.9040901@jenikovo.com>	<AANLkTi=8KEfG+15TkT0QLkVG0E9vZgMFO7wvHcyrEiD_@mail.gmail.com>	<4CF778F4.4040202@jenikovo.com>	<35329.147.32.223.15.1291287467.squirrel@webmail.amset.sk>	<57794.147.32.96.159.1291585870.squirrel@webmail.amset.sk>	<4CFC1993.4060409@4safety.cz>	<AANLkTi=_dozXC4tmi5BwKQzt4AwVbr4AWwGeurL9hoJy@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=uY7QnAMWk4rEDkT+SM-8ksdt-9Qi=_WdX59LE@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTinm=rjsHofvYgySLadxjeF7M6Oyf56pxvp8rfON@mail.gmail.com>	<20101206133525.GE9230@machine.or.cz>
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Message-ID: <4D02D906.6020005@ruza.eu>

kdybys mel cestu kolem, tak klidne ted, jeste tu jsme a zrejme jeste
budeme :)

ruza


On 12/11/2010 02:25 AM, oliver at amset.sk wrote:
> Ok, tak ja by som Vam ich aj doviezol, aspon konecne uvidim brmlab :)
> Co takto nedela vecer, vyhovovalo by?
> 
> Oli
> 
> 


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     http://brmlab.cz


From oliver at amset.sk  Sat Dec 11 02:57:48 2010
From: oliver at amset.sk (oliver at amset.sk)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 02:57:48 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] servre HP?
In-Reply-To: <4D02D906.6020005@ruza.eu>
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Message-ID: <op.vni02mxbygnkb3@seath-49-pc.mk.cvut.cz>

Ok, do 45 minut by som tam mal byt. Snad Vas najdem, dali by ste mi ked tak
cislo, komu mozem volat? Moje: 776543189

On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 02:51:02 +0100, Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:

> kdybys mel cestu kolem, tak klidne ted, jeste tu jsme a zrejme jeste
> budeme :)
>
> ruza
>
>
> On 12/11/2010 02:25 AM, oliver at amset.sk wrote:
>> Ok, tak ja by som Vam ich aj doviezol, aspon konecne uvidim brmlab :)
>> Co takto nedela vecer, vyhovovalo by?
>>
>> Oli
>>
>>
>
>


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From ruza at ruza.eu  Sat Dec 11 03:04:40 2010
From: ruza at ruza.eu (Pavel Ruzicka)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 03:04:40 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] servre HP?
In-Reply-To: <op.vni02mxbygnkb3@seath-49-pc.mk.cvut.cz>
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brmGSM :) +420 608 801 582

On 12/11/2010 02:57 AM, oliver at amset.sk wrote:
> Ok, do 45 minut by som tam mal byt. Snad Vas najdem, dali by ste mi ked tak
> cislo, komu mozem volat? Moje: 776543189
> 
> On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 02:51:02 +0100, Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:
> 
>> kdybys mel cestu kolem, tak klidne ted, jeste tu jsme a zrejme jeste
>> budeme :)
>>
>> ruza
>>
>>
>> On 12/11/2010 02:25 AM, oliver at amset.sk wrote:
>>> Ok, tak ja by som Vam ich aj doviezol, aspon konecne uvidim brmlab :)
>>> Co takto nedela vecer, vyhovovalo by?
>>>
>>> Oli
>>>


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     http://brmlab.cz


From niekt0 at hysteria.sk  Sat Dec 11 09:01:08 2010
From: niekt0 at hysteria.sk (niekt0)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 09:01:08 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] laser projector night session hacking
In-Reply-To: <4D008635.7040407@ruza.eu>
References: <4D008635.7040407@ruza.eu>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikTy=PQ3LC7GRas3EHGNENSTQzsDY2JzGL8mkPR@mail.gmail.com>

parada (!)


From niekt0 at hysteria.sk  Sat Dec 11 09:02:56 2010
From: niekt0 at hysteria.sk (niekt0)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 09:02:56 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Brmlab odznaky
In-Reply-To: <4D02D126.3080704@gk2.sk>
References: <4D02D126.3080704@gk2.sk>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=jQTsh5TWAv=AqhKDfUruXH2=y4AbWM2_VbHQx@mail.gmail.com>

som za.


From pasky at ucw.cz  Sat Dec 11 09:57:43 2010
From: pasky at ucw.cz (Petr Baudis)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 09:57:43 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Brmlab odznaky
In-Reply-To: <4D02D126.3080704@gk2.sk>
References: <4D02D126.3080704@gk2.sk>
Message-ID: <20101211085742.GZ9230@machine.or.cz>

  Ahoj!

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 02:17:26AM +0100, Pavol Rusnak wrote:
> Prave som kecal s kamosom, ktory vo volnom case vyraba odznaky[1] a bol
> by schopny a ochotny dodat viacmenej lubovolne mnozstvo za cca 12-13 Kc.
> Donesiem jeden exemplar na meetup :-) . Ak by sme ich predavali po 20
> Kc, tak by sme mali priblizne rovnaky business model ako pri trickach.
> Bol by zaujem vytvorit taketo brmlab odznaky? (Samozrejme sa natiska
> Roomba konektorove logo, ktore je uplne stvorene na taketo odznaky, ale
> teoreticky je mozne vytvorit lubovolny pocet roznych dizajnov).
> Thoughts? Ideas?
> 
> [1] http://www-static.weddingbee.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/24/1.jpg
> (rozmer 1" ~ 24mm)

  Napad je to skvely, jen se musi dat pozor, aby ty odznaky byly dobre
udelane - take jsme meli s chido v ruce to odznakovatko a je velmi
snadne vyrobit non-obvious zmetek (ktery odejde s prvnim destem). Tuhle
nekdo nasel i nekoho ultra-levneho na nyxu, jen jsem mel stejne obavy.

-- 
				Petr "Pasky" Baudis
The true meaning of life is to plant a tree under whose shade
you will never sit.


From stick at gk2.sk  Sat Dec 11 12:42:50 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:42:50 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] F1 simulator
Message-ID: <4D0363BA.5030108@gk2.sk>

Made in CR:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5qMPPJUipE

Skoda, ze nehavaroval v plnej rychlosti, by ma zaujimalo jak sa to
sprava vtedy ... :-)

-- 
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>


From pd at udp.cz  Sat Dec 11 18:37:17 2010
From: pd at udp.cz (Petr Duchek)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 18:37:17 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Brmlab odznaky
In-Reply-To: <20101211085742.GZ9230@machine.or.cz>
References: <4D02D126.3080704@gk2.sk>
	<20101211085742.GZ9230@machine.or.cz>
Message-ID: <20101211183717.2989617b@kvik>

On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 09:57:43 +0100
Petr Baudis <pasky at ucw.cz> wrote:
> Tuhle nekdo nasel i nekoho ultra-levneho na nyxu, jen jsem mel stejne
> obavy.
>

Tady prikladam odkaz na toho typka z nyxu:
http://www.nyx.cz/index.php?l=market;l2=4;id=26366 (jen informace o
cene nejak zmizela :))  



From TSuchan at seznam.cz  Sat Dec 11 23:54:24 2010
From: TSuchan at seznam.cz (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Tom=E1=B9=20Suchan?=)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 23:54:24 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking.....
Message-ID: <15917.4398.13068-10167-552164417-1292108063@seznam.cz>

Tak sme str?vyli dal?? noc nad Laserov?m Projektorem. V?sledek viz p??loha :-) + Video na:

http://www.asrg.cz/LaserClock.mpeg


Dorazily ty HP UX - ov? servery. Ten v?t?? jsem ji? rozeb?hl. Heslo roota jsem nastavil na brmbrm. P?ipojen? seriovou konsol? 9600, 8, N, 1. (server nem? mo?nost VGA, KLAVESNICE - u techto server? zcela norm?ln?) IP 192.168.1.220. Pokud ho n?kdo nahod?te tak nejd??ve odpojte ethernet a po?kejte ne? nabootuje. Potom pripojte ethernet  a muzete se na nej pripojit i pomoci SSH. Seriov? konsolov? kabel jsem tam nechal p?ipojen?. Prvotn? ohled?n?: 4x CPU 750Mhz, 3500Gb RAM. Na disky jsem byl u? moc unaven.

Na ten men?? server se pod?v?m asi z?tra......

PS: Je?t? ?e??m grabnut? confidence... Tro3ku se to sere, kdyby m?l n?kdo MiniDV kameru, bodlo by to...

S pozdravem....

Tom?? Suchan
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From rainbof at gmail.com  Sun Dec 12 09:36:57 2010
From: rainbof at gmail.com (Ondrej Beranek)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 09:36:57 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser hacking #2
Message-ID: <AANLkTikV+qiYsWykvbz7fCmOwcGBz+pQOU00TRGH_n5Z@mail.gmail.com>

V?era do?lo k p?r v?znamn?m hack?m v ovl?d?n? laseru. Mimo drobn? korekce ve
vykreslov?n? SVG form?tu upravil p?vodn? objekt programu tak ?e ho lze
spustit i jako server, nebo v klientsk?m re?imu. Smyslem tohoto p??stupu je
mo?nost generov?n? obrazc? z v?ce zdroj? najednou tak, ?e ale vykreslovan?
data po??d z?st?vaj? "majetkem" toho kdo procesu kter? je tam nakreslil.
Tedy po odpojen? zmiz? jen jeho ??st obrazce ostatn? z?st?vaj?. Od
posledn?ho commitu k?du do?lo k hodn? zm?n?m a nov?m funkc?m, felipe pokud
mu to umo?n?me hodl? na projektu pracovat i doma pokud mu to umo?n?me, proto
n?s po??dal zda bychom mu to nepustili na n?jak?m serveru a nesn?mali
webkou. mysl?m ?e by to nemo?n? nebylo proto?e ?asov? posun je -5 hodin (u
n?s p?lnoc je 19h u nich).

Pokud v?m st?le je tu nutnost to za??zen? inicializovat z windows.

O.
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From ruza at ruza.eu  Sun Dec 12 12:03:36 2010
From: ruza at ruza.eu (Pavel Ruzicka)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:03:36 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser hacking #2
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikV+qiYsWykvbz7fCmOwcGBz+pQOU00TRGH_n5Z@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikV+qiYsWykvbz7fCmOwcGBz+pQOU00TRGH_n5Z@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D04AC08.9010303@ruza.eu>

tohle bysme meli taky zapracovat. svg verze bohuzel asi neni

http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/wiki/File:27c3-250x250.png

On 12/12/2010 09:36 AM, Ondrej Beranek wrote:
> V?era do?lo k p?r v?znamn?m hack?m v ovl?d?n? laseru. Mimo drobn?
> korekce ve vykreslov?n? SVG form?tu upravil p?vodn? objekt programu tak
> ?e ho lze spustit i jako server, nebo v klientsk?m re?imu. Smyslem
> tohoto p??stupu je mo?nost generov?n? obrazc? z v?ce zdroj? najednou
> tak, ?e ale vykreslovan? data po??d z?st?vaj? "majetkem" toho kdo
> procesu kter? je tam nakreslil. Tedy po odpojen? zmiz? jen jeho ??st
> obrazce ostatn? z?st?vaj?. Od posledn?ho commitu k?du do?lo k hodn?
> zm?n?m a nov?m funkc?m, felipe pokud mu to umo?n?me hodl? na projektu
> pracovat i doma pokud mu to umo?n?me, proto n?s po??dal zda bychom mu to
> nepustili na n?jak?m serveru a nesn?mali webkou. mysl?m ?e by to nemo?n?
> nebylo proto?e ?asov? posun je -5 hodin (u n?s p?lnoc je 19h u nich).
>
> Pokud v?m st?le je tu nutnost to za??zen? inicializovat z windows.
>
> O.


From rainbof at gmail.com  Sun Dec 12 12:14:48 2010
From: rainbof at gmail.com (Ondrej Beranek)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:14:48 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser hacking #2
In-Reply-To: <4D04AC08.9010303@ruza.eu>
References: <AANLkTikV+qiYsWykvbz7fCmOwcGBz+pQOU00TRGH_n5Z@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D04AC08.9010303@ruza.eu>
Message-ID: <AANLkTiko2-d_5FZ9m-b5ncXVoE-v=WUShjptYuuMbAmc@mail.gmail.com>

?pln? nerozum?m souvislosti.

Dne 12.12.2010 12:03 "Pavel Ruzicka" <ruza at ruza.eu> napsal/a:

tohle bysme meli taky zapracovat. svg verze bohuzel asi neni

http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/wiki/File:27c3-250x250.png



On 12/12/2010 09:36 AM, Ondrej Beranek wrote:
>
> V?era do?lo k p?r v?znamn?m hack?m v ovl?d?n? la...
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From ruza at ruza.eu  Sun Dec 12 13:01:03 2010
From: ruza at ruza.eu (Pavel Ruzicka)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 13:01:03 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser hacking #2
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiko2-d_5FZ9m-b5ncXVoE-v=WUShjptYuuMbAmc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikV+qiYsWykvbz7fCmOwcGBz+pQOU00TRGH_n5Z@mail.gmail.com>	<4D04AC08.9010303@ruza.eu>
	<AANLkTiko2-d_5FZ9m-b5ncXVoE-v=WUShjptYuuMbAmc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D04B97F.4060103@ruza.eu>

http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/wiki/Brmlab

On 12/12/2010 12:14 PM, Ondrej Beranek wrote:
> ?pln? nerozum?m souvislosti.
>
>> Dne 12.12.2010 12:03 "Pavel Ruzicka" <ruza at ruza.eu
>> <mailto:ruza at ruza.eu>> napsal/a:
>>
>> tohle bysme meli taky zapracovat. svg verze bohuzel asi neni
>>
>> http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/wiki/File:27c3-250x250.png
>>
>> On 12/12/2010 09:36 AM, Ondrej Beranek wrote:
>> >
>> > V?era do?lo k p?r v?znamn?m hack?m v ovl?d?n? la...
>>


From juca at members.fsf.org  Sun Dec 12 14:18:32 2010
From: juca at members.fsf.org (Felipe Sanches)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 14:18:32 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser hacking #2
In-Reply-To: <4D04B97F.4060103@ruza.eu>
References: <AANLkTikV+qiYsWykvbz7fCmOwcGBz+pQOU00TRGH_n5Z@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D04AC08.9010303@ruza.eu>
	<AANLkTiko2-d_5FZ9m-b5ncXVoE-v=WUShjptYuuMbAmc@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D04B97F.4060103@ruza.eu>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=z+0nEdiOVDCPA4ZurTnbp8ru_omXx3jxCRj_-@mail.gmail.com>

I hope you like it :-D

Please fix my name in the wiki page. The correct speling is: Felipe Sanches


2010/12/12 Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu>

> http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/wiki/Brmlab
>
>
> On 12/12/2010 12:14 PM, Ondrej Beranek wrote:
>
>> ?pln? nerozum?m souvislosti.
>>
>>  Dne 12.12.2010 12:03 "Pavel Ruzicka" <ruza at ruza.eu
>>> <mailto:ruza at ruza.eu>> napsal/a:
>>>
>>>
>>> tohle bysme meli taky zapracovat. svg verze bohuzel asi neni
>>>
>>> http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/wiki/File:27c3-250x250.png
>>>
>>> On 12/12/2010 09:36 AM, Ondrej Beranek wrote:
>>> >
>>> > V?era do?lo k p?r v?znamn?m hack?m v ovl?d?n? la...
>>>
>>>  _______________________________________________
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> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
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From juca at members.fsf.org  Sun Dec 12 14:19:26 2010
From: juca at members.fsf.org (Felipe Sanches)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 14:19:26 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser hacking #2
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=z+0nEdiOVDCPA4ZurTnbp8ru_omXx3jxCRj_-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikV+qiYsWykvbz7fCmOwcGBz+pQOU00TRGH_n5Z@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D04AC08.9010303@ruza.eu>
	<AANLkTiko2-d_5FZ9m-b5ncXVoE-v=WUShjptYuuMbAmc@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D04B97F.4060103@ruza.eu>
	<AANLkTi=z+0nEdiOVDCPA4ZurTnbp8ru_omXx3jxCRj_-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=ifExm7Bn89zkHczE7Q+AqKa0Az8-PeseHEmAv@mail.gmail.com>

And you could also link "GML" to http://grafittimarkuplanguage/ in the
wikipage

2010/12/12 Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org>

> I hope you like it :-D
>
> Please fix my name in the wiki page. The correct speling is: Felipe Sanches
>
>
> 2010/12/12 Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu>
>
> http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/wiki/Brmlab
>>
>>
>> On 12/12/2010 12:14 PM, Ondrej Beranek wrote:
>>
>>> ?pln? nerozum?m souvislosti.
>>>
>>>  Dne 12.12.2010 12:03 "Pavel Ruzicka" <ruza at ruza.eu
>>>> <mailto:ruza at ruza.eu>> napsal/a:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> tohle bysme meli taky zapracovat. svg verze bohuzel asi neni
>>>>
>>>> http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/wiki/File:27c3-250x250.png
>>>>
>>>> On 12/12/2010 09:36 AM, Ondrej Beranek wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > V?era do?lo k p?r v?znamn?m hack?m v ovl?d?n? la...
>>>>
>>>>  _______________________________________________
>> Brmlab mailing list
>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>
>
>
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From stick at gk2.sk  Sun Dec 12 15:06:53 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:06:53 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser hacking #2
In-Reply-To: <4D04AC08.9010303@ruza.eu>
References: <AANLkTikV+qiYsWykvbz7fCmOwcGBz+pQOU00TRGH_n5Z@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D04AC08.9010303@ruza.eu>
Message-ID: <4D04D6FD.4090203@gk2.sk>

On 12/12/10 12:03, Pavel Ruzicka wrote:
> tohle bysme meli taky zapracovat. svg verze bohuzel asi neni
> 
> http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/wiki/File:27c3-250x250.png

I created 2 SVG versions:

* http://brmlab.cz/_media/27c3a.svg
* http://brmlab.cz/_media/27c3b.svg

Enjoy!

-- 
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>


From stick at gk2.sk  Sun Dec 12 15:31:02 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:31:02 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser hacking #2
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=z+0nEdiOVDCPA4ZurTnbp8ru_omXx3jxCRj_-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikV+qiYsWykvbz7fCmOwcGBz+pQOU00TRGH_n5Z@mail.gmail.com>	<4D04AC08.9010303@ruza.eu>	<AANLkTiko2-d_5FZ9m-b5ncXVoE-v=WUShjptYuuMbAmc@mail.gmail.com>	<4D04B97F.4060103@ruza.eu>
	<AANLkTi=z+0nEdiOVDCPA4ZurTnbp8ru_omXx3jxCRj_-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D04DCA6.4020305@gk2.sk>

On 12/12/10 14:18, Felipe Sanches wrote:
> I hope you like it :-D

This is really cool!

I got an idea that we can combine SVG-edit with Laser control software.
SVG-edit is a tool I started to write some time ago, but now I am no
longer actively involved in. It is somewhat a clone of inkscape, but it
can run in any modern browser. It is also highly modular, so we can
create a special user interface (no fills allowed, only few selection of
colors, not all features enabled) and add a hook, which will be called
on every "Save Image" event and will send a new SVG image to the control
software. I will check the possibilities next time I am in brmlab
(Monday or Tuesday evening).

-- 
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>


From stick at gk2.sk  Sun Dec 12 15:32:12 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:32:12 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser hacking #2
In-Reply-To: <4D04DCA6.4020305@gk2.sk>
References: <AANLkTikV+qiYsWykvbz7fCmOwcGBz+pQOU00TRGH_n5Z@mail.gmail.com>	<4D04AC08.9010303@ruza.eu>	<AANLkTiko2-d_5FZ9m-b5ncXVoE-v=WUShjptYuuMbAmc@mail.gmail.com>	<4D04B97F.4060103@ruza.eu>
	<AANLkTi=z+0nEdiOVDCPA4ZurTnbp8ru_omXx3jxCRj_-@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D04DCA6.4020305@gk2.sk>
Message-ID: <4D04DCEC.4020605@gk2.sk>

On 12/12/10 15:31, Pavol Rusnak wrote:
> SVG-edit is a tool I started to write some time ago, but now I am no

Argh, lame self reply. I forgot links:

- project:
http://code.google.com/p/svg-edit/

- demo:
http://svg-edit.googlecode.com/svn/branches/2.5.1/editor/svg-editor.html

-- 
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>


From ruza at ruza.eu  Sun Dec 12 16:03:02 2010
From: ruza at ruza.eu (Pavel Ruzicka)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:03:02 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser hacking #2
In-Reply-To: <4D04DCA6.4020305@gk2.sk>
References: <AANLkTikV+qiYsWykvbz7fCmOwcGBz+pQOU00TRGH_n5Z@mail.gmail.com>	<4D04AC08.9010303@ruza.eu>	<AANLkTiko2-d_5FZ9m-b5ncXVoE-v=WUShjptYuuMbAmc@mail.gmail.com>	<4D04B97F.4060103@ruza.eu>	<AANLkTi=z+0nEdiOVDCPA4ZurTnbp8ru_omXx3jxCRj_-@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D04DCA6.4020305@gk2.sk>
Message-ID: <4D04E426.3050808@ruza.eu>

cool. we can publish url then and ccc visitors could wrote on the wall.
and we can also have a webcam streaming that pictures :)

ruza

On 12/12/2010 03:31 PM, Pavol Rusnak wrote:
> On 12/12/10 14:18, Felipe Sanches wrote:
>> I hope you like it :-D
> 
> This is really cool!
> 
> I got an idea that we can combine SVG-edit with Laser control software.
> SVG-edit is a tool I started to write some time ago, but now I am no
> longer actively involved in. It is somewhat a clone of inkscape, but it
> can run in any modern browser. It is also highly modular, so we can
> create a special user interface (no fills allowed, only few selection of
> colors, not all features enabled) and add a hook, which will be called
> on every "Save Image" event and will send a new SVG image to the control
> software. I will check the possibilities next time I am in brmlab
> (Monday or Tuesday evening).
> 


-- 
e-mail:  ruza at ruza.eu
www:   http://ruza.eu
     http://brmlab.cz


From ruza at ruza.eu  Sun Dec 12 16:42:04 2010
From: ruza at ruza.eu (Pavel Ruzicka)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:42:04 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser hacking #2
In-Reply-To: <4D04E426.3050808@ruza.eu>
References: <AANLkTikV+qiYsWykvbz7fCmOwcGBz+pQOU00TRGH_n5Z@mail.gmail.com>	<4D04AC08.9010303@ruza.eu>	<AANLkTiko2-d_5FZ9m-b5ncXVoE-v=WUShjptYuuMbAmc@mail.gmail.com>	<4D04B97F.4060103@ruza.eu>	<AANLkTi=z+0nEdiOVDCPA4ZurTnbp8ru_omXx3jxCRj_-@mail.gmail.com>	<4D04DCA6.4020305@gk2.sk>
	<4D04E426.3050808@ruza.eu>
Message-ID: <4D04ED4C.9020900@ruza.eu>

And dont forgot each "Save image" could also have an option to publish
that SVG in web galery :)

On 12/12/2010 04:03 PM, Pavel Ruzicka wrote:
> cool. we can publish url then and ccc visitors could wrote on the wall.
> and we can also have a webcam streaming that pictures :)
> 
> ruza
> 
> On 12/12/2010 03:31 PM, Pavol Rusnak wrote:
>> On 12/12/10 14:18, Felipe Sanches wrote:
>>> I hope you like it :-D
>>
>> This is really cool!
>>
>> I got an idea that we can combine SVG-edit with Laser control software.
>> SVG-edit is a tool I started to write some time ago, but now I am no
>> longer actively involved in. It is somewhat a clone of inkscape, but it
>> can run in any modern browser. It is also highly modular, so we can
>> create a special user interface (no fills allowed, only few selection of
>> colors, not all features enabled) and add a hook, which will be called
>> on every "Save Image" event and will send a new SVG image to the control
>> software. I will check the possibilities next time I am in brmlab
>> (Monday or Tuesday evening).
>>
> 
> 


-- 
e-mail:  ruza at ruza.eu
www:   http://ruza.eu
     http://brmlab.cz


From jakub.hybler at gmail.com  Sun Dec 12 16:48:48 2010
From: jakub.hybler at gmail.com (jakub hybler)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:48:48 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] 16F688
Message-ID: <AANLkTik6y+Wu5QmX65A5JT=jh0oBPuNMOH3Nt76nR4uf@mail.gmail.com>

prosim o pomoc pri schaneni vetsiho mnoztvi 16F688,
neni to sice nejnovejsi ...ale prima...,
SMD ci DIL to je fuck,
treba 60 ks, za cenu 10 az 50KC aa ks s dani   ????
diiky
kubicekh

pro zacatek , nemate nekdo par doma??


From stick at gk2.sk  Sun Dec 12 16:55:01 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:55:01 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] 16F688
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik6y+Wu5QmX65A5JT=jh0oBPuNMOH3Nt76nR4uf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik6y+Wu5QmX65A5JT=jh0oBPuNMOH3Nt76nR4uf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D04F055.30204@gk2.sk>

On 12/12/10 16:48, jakub hybler wrote:
> prosim o pomoc pri schaneni vetsiho mnoztvi 16F688,

Neviem ci to pomoze, ale podarilo sa mi vyguglit:

http://pandatron.cz/?shop&sla=521&pn=90004&tx=pic16f688_-i/st_

pri odbere nad 10ks je cena 36 (bez dph)

(skladom maju iba 3 ...)

-- 
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>


From sargonout at gmail.com  Sun Dec 12 16:58:40 2010
From: sargonout at gmail.com (Tomislav Arnaudov)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:58:40 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] 16F688
In-Reply-To: <4D04F055.30204@gk2.sk>
References: <AANLkTik6y+Wu5QmX65A5JT=jh0oBPuNMOH3Nt76nR4uf@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D04F055.30204@gk2.sk>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin9adnOZqKju6BMNLW9tdAvXmnh6KV9m2rHmSoU@mail.gmail.com>

Ahoj
potrebujes to do nejakej specialnej aplikacie ? alebo "len na hranie" ...
ono ta 16F688 uz neni ziadna novinka :)
SMD v SOIC14
http://cz.farnell.com/microchip/pic16f688-i-sl/8bit-flash-mcu-smd-16f688-soic14/dp/9760571
pri odbere do 100ks to mas za necelych 30 korun

dopravne z farnelu je 5E ale mas to na druhy den doma :)

zdar
Sargon

2010/12/12 Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>

> On 12/12/10 16:48, jakub hybler wrote:
> > prosim o pomoc pri schaneni vetsiho mnoztvi 16F688,
>
> Neviem ci to pomoze, ale podarilo sa mi vyguglit:
>
> http://pandatron.cz/?shop&sla=521&pn=90004&tx=pic16f688_-i/st_
>
> pri odbere nad 10ks je cena 36 (bez dph)
>
> (skladom maju iba 3 ...)
>
> --
> Best Regards / S pozdravom,
>
> Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>
> _______________________________________________
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From jakub.hybler at gmail.com  Sun Dec 12 17:04:08 2010
From: jakub.hybler at gmail.com (jakub hybler)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 17:04:08 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] 16F688
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jojo,
s googlem si jaksi rozumiim take...
a ze to nejni novinka jsem jiz zminil, ale mam uz pro nej .hex z drivejska
ale nejdriv par kusu na hrani by stejne bodlo.

2010/12/12, Tomislav Arnaudov <sargonout at gmail.com>:
> Ahoj
> potrebujes to do nejakej specialnej aplikacie ? alebo "len na hranie" ...
> ono ta 16F688 uz neni ziadna novinka :)
> SMD v SOIC14
> http://cz.farnell.com/microchip/pic16f688-i-sl/8bit-flash-mcu-smd-16f688-soic14/dp/9760571
> pri odbere do 100ks to mas za necelych 30 korun
>
> dopravne z farnelu je 5E ale mas to na druhy den doma :)
>
> zdar
> Sargon
>
> 2010/12/12 Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>
>
>> On 12/12/10 16:48, jakub hybler wrote:
>> > prosim o pomoc pri schaneni vetsiho mnoztvi 16F688,
>>
>> Neviem ci to pomoze, ale podarilo sa mi vyguglit:
>>
>> http://pandatron.cz/?shop&sla=521&pn=90004&tx=pic16f688_-i/st_
>>
>> pri odbere nad 10ks je cena 36 (bez dph)
>>
>> (skladom maju iba 3 ...)
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards / S pozdravom,
>>
>> Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Brmlab mailing list
>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>
>


From sargonout at gmail.com  Sun Dec 12 17:10:39 2010
From: sargonout at gmail.com (Tomislav Arnaudov)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 17:10:39 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] 16F688
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hex dissasembluj a portni to na inu platformu ;)

tusim ze jeden kusok mam v brmlabe medzi samplami z microchip-u ... kuknem
na to az tam budem

Sargon


Dne 12. prosince 2010 17:04 jakub hybler <jakub.hybler at gmail.com> napsal(a):

> jojo,
> s googlem si jaksi rozumiim take...
> a ze to nejni novinka jsem jiz zminil, ale mam uz pro nej .hex z drivejska
> ale nejdriv par kusu na hrani by stejne bodlo.
>
> 2010/12/12, Tomislav Arnaudov <sargonout at gmail.com>:
> > Ahoj
> > potrebujes to do nejakej specialnej aplikacie ? alebo "len na hranie" ...
> > ono ta 16F688 uz neni ziadna novinka :)
> > SMD v SOIC14
> >
> http://cz.farnell.com/microchip/pic16f688-i-sl/8bit-flash-mcu-smd-16f688-soic14/dp/9760571
> > pri odbere do 100ks to mas za necelych 30 korun
> >
> > dopravne z farnelu je 5E ale mas to na druhy den doma :)
> >
> > zdar
> > Sargon
> >
> > 2010/12/12 Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>
> >
> >> On 12/12/10 16:48, jakub hybler wrote:
> >> > prosim o pomoc pri schaneni vetsiho mnoztvi 16F688,
> >>
> >> Neviem ci to pomoze, ale podarilo sa mi vyguglit:
> >>
> >> http://pandatron.cz/?shop&sla=521&pn=90004&tx=pic16f688_-i/st_
> >>
> >> pri odbere nad 10ks je cena 36 (bez dph)
> >>
> >> (skladom maju iba 3 ...)
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best Regards / S pozdravom,
> >>
> >> Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Brmlab mailing list
> >> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> >> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> >>
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
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From jakub.hybler at gmail.com  Sun Dec 12 17:17:26 2010
From: jakub.hybler at gmail.com (jakub hybler)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 17:17:26 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] 16F688
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mozna najdu i .asm clovece,
uz je to dlouho, ale za svaba budu rad.. mozna mas i programator v labu?
po odzkouseni bych chtel nabouchat vic kousku i s deskou...
nevim jestli to ten muj programator od ASIXu dava...

12.12.10, Tomislav Arnaudov <sargonout at gmail.com>:
> hex dissasembluj a portni to na inu platformu ;)
>
> tusim ze jeden kusok mam v brmlabe medzi samplami z microchip-u ... kuknem
> na to az tam budem
>
> Sargon
>
>
> Dne 12. prosince 2010 17:04 jakub hybler <jakub.hybler at gmail.com> napsal(a):
>
>> jojo,
>> s googlem si jaksi rozumiim take...
>> a ze to nejni novinka jsem jiz zminil, ale mam uz pro nej .hex z drivejska
>> ale nejdriv par kusu na hrani by stejne bodlo.
>>
>> 2010/12/12, Tomislav Arnaudov <sargonout at gmail.com>:
>> > Ahoj
>> > potrebujes to do nejakej specialnej aplikacie ? alebo "len na hranie"
>> > ...
>> > ono ta 16F688 uz neni ziadna novinka :)
>> > SMD v SOIC14
>> >
>> http://cz.farnell.com/microchip/pic16f688-i-sl/8bit-flash-mcu-smd-16f688-soic14/dp/9760571
>> > pri odbere do 100ks to mas za necelych 30 korun
>> >
>> > dopravne z farnelu je 5E ale mas to na druhy den doma :)
>> >
>> > zdar
>> > Sargon
>> >
>> > 2010/12/12 Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>
>> >
>> >> On 12/12/10 16:48, jakub hybler wrote:
>> >> > prosim o pomoc pri schaneni vetsiho mnoztvi 16F688,
>> >>
>> >> Neviem ci to pomoze, ale podarilo sa mi vyguglit:
>> >>
>> >> http://pandatron.cz/?shop&sla=521&pn=90004&tx=pic16f688_-i/st_
>> >>
>> >> pri odbere nad 10ks je cena 36 (bez dph)
>> >>
>> >> (skladom maju iba 3 ...)
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Best Regards / S pozdravom,
>> >>
>> >> Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Brmlab mailing list
>> >> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> >> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>> >>
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Brmlab mailing list
>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>
>


From czestmyr at gmail.com  Sun Dec 12 17:18:55 2010
From: czestmyr at gmail.com (Cestmir Houska)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 17:18:55 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] 16F688
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Co to vlastne bude, az to bude? Smim se zeptat?

Cestmir

2010/12/12 jakub hybler <jakub.hybler at gmail.com>

> prosim o pomoc pri schaneni vetsiho mnoztvi 16F688,
> neni to sice nejnovejsi ...ale prima...,
> SMD ci DIL to je fuck,
> treba 60 ks, za cenu 10 az 50KC aa ks s dani   ????
> diiky
> kubicekh
>
> pro zacatek , nemate nekdo par doma??
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From jakub.hybler at gmail.com  Sun Dec 12 17:19:06 2010
From: jakub.hybler at gmail.com (jakub hybler)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 17:19:06 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] 16F688
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btw, je to instantni reseni rgb pixelu rizeneho dmx, ale umi to i serva.

12.12.10, jakub hybler <jakub.hybler at gmail.com>:
> mozna najdu i .asm clovece,
> uz je to dlouho, ale za svaba budu rad.. mozna mas i programator v labu?
> po odzkouseni bych chtel nabouchat vic kousku i s deskou...
> nevim jestli to ten muj programator od ASIXu dava...
>
> 12.12.10, Tomislav Arnaudov <sargonout at gmail.com>:
>> hex dissasembluj a portni to na inu platformu ;)
>>
>> tusim ze jeden kusok mam v brmlabe medzi samplami z microchip-u ...
>> kuknem
>> na to az tam budem
>>
>> Sargon
>>
>>
>> Dne 12. prosince 2010 17:04 jakub hybler <jakub.hybler at gmail.com>
>> napsal(a):
>>
>>> jojo,
>>> s googlem si jaksi rozumiim take...
>>> a ze to nejni novinka jsem jiz zminil, ale mam uz pro nej .hex z
>>> drivejska
>>> ale nejdriv par kusu na hrani by stejne bodlo.
>>>
>>> 2010/12/12, Tomislav Arnaudov <sargonout at gmail.com>:
>>> > Ahoj
>>> > potrebujes to do nejakej specialnej aplikacie ? alebo "len na hranie"
>>> > ...
>>> > ono ta 16F688 uz neni ziadna novinka :)
>>> > SMD v SOIC14
>>> >
>>> http://cz.farnell.com/microchip/pic16f688-i-sl/8bit-flash-mcu-smd-16f688-soic14/dp/9760571
>>> > pri odbere do 100ks to mas za necelych 30 korun
>>> >
>>> > dopravne z farnelu je 5E ale mas to na druhy den doma :)
>>> >
>>> > zdar
>>> > Sargon
>>> >
>>> > 2010/12/12 Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>
>>> >
>>> >> On 12/12/10 16:48, jakub hybler wrote:
>>> >> > prosim o pomoc pri schaneni vetsiho mnoztvi 16F688,
>>> >>
>>> >> Neviem ci to pomoze, ale podarilo sa mi vyguglit:
>>> >>
>>> >> http://pandatron.cz/?shop&sla=521&pn=90004&tx=pic16f688_-i/st_
>>> >>
>>> >> pri odbere nad 10ks je cena 36 (bez dph)
>>> >>
>>> >> (skladom maju iba 3 ...)
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Best Regards / S pozdravom,
>>> >>
>>> >> Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> Brmlab mailing list
>>> >> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>>> >> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Brmlab mailing list
>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>>
>>
>


From sargonout at gmail.com  Sun Dec 12 17:21:22 2010
From: sargonout at gmail.com (Tomislav Arnaudov)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 17:21:22 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] 16F688
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programator mam zatial doma ale mozem ho doniest do brmlabu ...
tento tyzden by mi mala dosjt aj ICD2  coz bude ine programovanicko
... debug je celkom dobra vec :)

pokial to bude pre dobru vec rad ti s tim pomozem pokial budes potrebovat
...

Sargon

Dne 12. prosince 2010 17:17 jakub hybler <jakub.hybler at gmail.com> napsal(a):

> mozna najdu i .asm clovece,
> uz je to dlouho, ale za svaba budu rad.. mozna mas i programator v labu?
> po odzkouseni bych chtel nabouchat vic kousku i s deskou...
> nevim jestli to ten muj programator od ASIXu dava...
>
> 12.12.10, Tomislav Arnaudov <sargonout at gmail.com>:
> > hex dissasembluj a portni to na inu platformu ;)
> >
> > tusim ze jeden kusok mam v brmlabe medzi samplami z microchip-u ...
> kuknem
> > na to az tam budem
> >
> > Sargon
> >
> >
> > Dne 12. prosince 2010 17:04 jakub hybler <jakub.hybler at gmail.com>
> napsal(a):
> >
> >> jojo,
> >> s googlem si jaksi rozumiim take...
> >> a ze to nejni novinka jsem jiz zminil, ale mam uz pro nej .hex z
> drivejska
> >> ale nejdriv par kusu na hrani by stejne bodlo.
> >>
> >> 2010/12/12, Tomislav Arnaudov <sargonout at gmail.com>:
> >> > Ahoj
> >> > potrebujes to do nejakej specialnej aplikacie ? alebo "len na hranie"
> >> > ...
> >> > ono ta 16F688 uz neni ziadna novinka :)
> >> > SMD v SOIC14
> >> >
> >>
> http://cz.farnell.com/microchip/pic16f688-i-sl/8bit-flash-mcu-smd-16f688-soic14/dp/9760571
> >> > pri odbere do 100ks to mas za necelych 30 korun
> >> >
> >> > dopravne z farnelu je 5E ale mas to na druhy den doma :)
> >> >
> >> > zdar
> >> > Sargon
> >> >
> >> > 2010/12/12 Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>
> >> >
> >> >> On 12/12/10 16:48, jakub hybler wrote:
> >> >> > prosim o pomoc pri schaneni vetsiho mnoztvi 16F688,
> >> >>
> >> >> Neviem ci to pomoze, ale podarilo sa mi vyguglit:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://pandatron.cz/?shop&sla=521&pn=90004&tx=pic16f688_-i/st_
> >> >>
> >> >> pri odbere nad 10ks je cena 36 (bez dph)
> >> >>
> >> >> (skladom maju iba 3 ...)
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Best Regards / S pozdravom,
> >> >>
> >> >> Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> Brmlab mailing list
> >> >> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> >> >> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Brmlab mailing list
> >> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> >> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> >>
> >
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From jakub.hybler at gmail.com  Sun Dec 12 17:27:30 2010
From: jakub.hybler at gmail.com (jakub hybler)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 17:27:30 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] 16F688
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myslim ze uz jses zahackovanej v brmpixeli na luxfery, ze jo??
tak to je vono,
nejdriv tohle,
pak si muzem optimalizovat, modul s prevodnikem net/dmx uz mam ready.


2010/12/12, Tomislav Arnaudov <sargonout at gmail.com>:
> programator mam zatial doma ale mozem ho doniest do brmlabu ...
> tento tyzden by mi mala dosjt aj ICD2  coz bude ine programovanicko
> ... debug je celkom dobra vec :)
>
> pokial to bude pre dobru vec rad ti s tim pomozem pokial budes potrebovat
> ...
>
> Sargon
>
> Dne 12. prosince 2010 17:17 jakub hybler <jakub.hybler at gmail.com> napsal(a):
>
>> mozna najdu i .asm clovece,
>> uz je to dlouho, ale za svaba budu rad.. mozna mas i programator v labu?
>> po odzkouseni bych chtel nabouchat vic kousku i s deskou...
>> nevim jestli to ten muj programator od ASIXu dava...
>>
>> 12.12.10, Tomislav Arnaudov <sargonout at gmail.com>:
>> > hex dissasembluj a portni to na inu platformu ;)
>> >
>> > tusim ze jeden kusok mam v brmlabe medzi samplami z microchip-u ...
>> kuknem
>> > na to az tam budem
>> >
>> > Sargon
>> >
>> >
>> > Dne 12. prosince 2010 17:04 jakub hybler <jakub.hybler at gmail.com>
>> napsal(a):
>> >
>> >> jojo,
>> >> s googlem si jaksi rozumiim take...
>> >> a ze to nejni novinka jsem jiz zminil, ale mam uz pro nej .hex z
>> drivejska
>> >> ale nejdriv par kusu na hrani by stejne bodlo.
>> >>
>> >> 2010/12/12, Tomislav Arnaudov <sargonout at gmail.com>:
>> >> > Ahoj
>> >> > potrebujes to do nejakej specialnej aplikacie ? alebo "len na hranie"
>> >> > ...
>> >> > ono ta 16F688 uz neni ziadna novinka :)
>> >> > SMD v SOIC14
>> >> >
>> >>
>> http://cz.farnell.com/microchip/pic16f688-i-sl/8bit-flash-mcu-smd-16f688-soic14/dp/9760571
>> >> > pri odbere do 100ks to mas za necelych 30 korun
>> >> >
>> >> > dopravne z farnelu je 5E ale mas to na druhy den doma :)
>> >> >
>> >> > zdar
>> >> > Sargon
>> >> >
>> >> > 2010/12/12 Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>
>> >> >
>> >> >> On 12/12/10 16:48, jakub hybler wrote:
>> >> >> > prosim o pomoc pri schaneni vetsiho mnoztvi 16F688,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Neviem ci to pomoze, ale podarilo sa mi vyguglit:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://pandatron.cz/?shop&sla=521&pn=90004&tx=pic16f688_-i/st_
>> >> >>
>> >> >> pri odbere nad 10ks je cena 36 (bez dph)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> (skladom maju iba 3 ...)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Best Regards / S pozdravom,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>
>> >> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> >> Brmlab mailing list
>> >> >> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> >> >> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Brmlab mailing list
>> >> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> >> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>> >>
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Brmlab mailing list
>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>
>


From jakub.hybler at gmail.com  Sun Dec 12 17:32:26 2010
From: jakub.hybler at gmail.com (jakub hybler)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 17:32:26 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking.....
In-Reply-To: <15917.4398.13068-10167-552164417-1292108063@seznam.cz>
References: <15917.4398.13068-10167-552164417-1292108063@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikgOF67xNPnRee6uMrhHwBzbbOJHdeBHcYaQPDC@mail.gmail.com>

tome mam minidv, kde v labu??


11.12.10, Tom?? Suchan <TSuchan at seznam.cz>:
> Tak sme str?vyli dal?? noc nad Laserov?m Projektorem. V?sledek viz p??loha
> :-) + Video na:
>
> http://www.asrg.cz/LaserClock.mpeg
>
>
> Dorazily ty HP UX - ov? servery. Ten v?t?? jsem ji? rozeb?hl. Heslo roota
> jsem nastavil na brmbrm. P?ipojen? seriovou konsol? 9600, 8, N, 1. (server
> nem? mo?nost VGA, KLAVESNICE - u techto server? zcela norm?ln?) IP
> 192.168.1.220. Pokud ho n?kdo nahod?te tak nejd??ve odpojte ethernet a
> po?kejte ne? nabootuje. Potom pripojte ethernet  a muzete se na nej pripojit
> i pomoci SSH. Seriov? konsolov? kabel jsem tam nechal p?ipojen?. Prvotn?
> ohled?n?: 4x CPU 750Mhz, 3500Gb RAM. Na disky jsem byl u? moc unaven.
>
> Na ten men?? server se pod?v?m asi z?tra......
>
> PS: Je?t? ?e??m grabnut? confidence... Tro3ku se to sere, kdyby m?l n?kdo
> MiniDV kameru, bodlo by to...
>
> S pozdravem....
>
> Tom?? Suchan


From axtheb at gmail.com  Sun Dec 12 19:59:37 2010
From: axtheb at gmail.com (Ax)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 19:59:37 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking #3
Message-ID: <AANLkTim22vR4UU_JAHVBm-0YSU13KySGzQU2_XivkQpf@mail.gmail.com>

Laser was moved to other room and connected to server there. Results
are quite impressive:
http://picasaweb.google.com/axtheb/Brmlab
Hopefully we can arrange working webcam and some vpn soon... Felippe,
do you have access to agoralink/chaosvpn? Using that we can get you
link quickly [http://brmlab.cz/project/chaosvpn]
And, please, give me commit rights to the repo so I can put my util
lib and the rocket game there.

Ax


From ruza at ruza.eu  Mon Dec 13 11:17:10 2010
From: ruza at ruza.eu (Pavel Ruzicka)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 11:17:10 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking #3
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim22vR4UU_JAHVBm-0YSU13KySGzQU2_XivkQpf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim22vR4UU_JAHVBm-0YSU13KySGzQU2_XivkQpf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D05F2A6.5080203@ruza.eu>

if you need some advice regarding chaosvpn/agoralink let me know. ive
connected brmlab to that vpn

ruza

On 12/12/2010 07:59 PM, Ax wrote:
> Laser was moved to other room and connected to server there. Results
> are quite impressive:
> http://picasaweb.google.com/axtheb/Brmlab
> Hopefully we can arrange working webcam and some vpn soon... Felippe,
> do you have access to agoralink/chaosvpn? Using that we can get you
> link quickly [http://brmlab.cz/project/chaosvpn]
> And, please, give me commit rights to the repo so I can put my util
> lib and the rocket game there.
> 
> Ax
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab


-- 
e-mail:  ruza at ruza.eu
www:   http://ruza.eu
     http://brmlab.cz


From niekt0 at hysteria.sk  Mon Dec 13 13:03:59 2010
From: niekt0 at hysteria.sk (niekt0)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:03:59 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking.....
In-Reply-To: <15917.4398.13068-10167-552164417-1292108063@seznam.cz>
References: <15917.4398.13068-10167-552164417-1292108063@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <AANLkTingDDcPGR8Y862QYS4po1nRX6J-+hdwY5eLD2j7@mail.gmail.com>

Budeme musiet nejak ideologicky poriesit tieto mailing listy.
Pastnut heslo na roota do verejneho mailinglistu je ok prizblizne do
chvile kym ten stroj nie je pripojeny k sieti.

n.

On 12/11/10, Tom?? Suchan <TSuchan at seznam.cz> wrote:
> Tak sme str?vyli dal?? noc nad Laserov?m Projektorem. V?sledek viz p??loha
> :-) + Video na:
>
> http://www.asrg.cz/LaserClock.mpeg
>
>
> Dorazily ty HP UX - ov? servery. Ten v?t?? jsem ji? rozeb?hl. Heslo roota
> jsem nastavil na brmbrm. P?ipojen? seriovou konsol? 9600, 8, N, 1. (server
> nem? mo?nost VGA, KLAVESNICE - u techto server? zcela norm?ln?) IP
> 192.168.1.220. Pokud ho n?kdo nahod?te tak nejd??ve odpojte ethernet a
> po?kejte ne? nabootuje. Potom pripojte ethernet  a muzete se na nej pripojit
> i pomoci SSH. Seriov? konsolov? kabel jsem tam nechal p?ipojen?. Prvotn?
> ohled?n?: 4x CPU 750Mhz, 3500Gb RAM. Na disky jsem byl u? moc unaven.
>
> Na ten men?? server se pod?v?m asi z?tra......
>
> PS: Je?t? ?e??m grabnut? confidence... Tro3ku se to sere, kdyby m?l n?kdo
> MiniDV kameru, bodlo by to...
>
> S pozdravem....
>
> Tom?? Suchan


From suchan.tomas at gmail.com  Mon Dec 13 13:33:38 2010
From: suchan.tomas at gmail.com (Tomas Suchan)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:33:38 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking.....
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTingDDcPGR8Y862QYS4po1nRX6J-+hdwY5eLD2j7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <15917.4398.13068-10167-552164417-1292108063@seznam.cz>
	<AANLkTingDDcPGR8Y862QYS4po1nRX6J-+hdwY5eLD2j7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim483vmCHUw+d8cB3PiNvO4vexLv_7BWaPs-F2G@mail.gmail.com>

Jo, jezis sorrrrraaaac, to sem si neuvedomil, mas naprostou pravdu.....
Dne 2010 12 13 13:04 "niekt0" <niekt0 at hysteria.sk> napsal(a):
> Budeme musiet nejak ideologicky poriesit tieto mailing listy.
> Pastnut heslo na roota do verejneho mailinglistu je ok prizblizne do
> chvile kym ten stroj nie je pripojeny k sieti.
>
> n.
>
> On 12/11/10, Tom?? Suchan <TSuchan at seznam.cz> wrote:
>> Tak sme str?vyli dal?? noc nad Laserov?m Projektorem. V?sledek viz
p??loha
>> :-) + Video na:
>>
>> http://www.asrg.cz/LaserClock.mpeg
>>
>>
>> Dorazily ty HP UX - ov? servery. Ten v?t?? jsem ji? rozeb?hl. Heslo roota
>> jsem nastavil na brmbrm. P?ipojen? seriovou konsol? 9600, 8, N, 1.
(server
>> nem? mo?nost VGA, KLAVESNICE - u techto server? zcela norm?ln?) IP
>> 192.168.1.220. Pokud ho n?kdo nahod?te tak nejd??ve odpojte ethernet a
>> po?kejte ne? nabootuje. Potom pripojte ethernet a muzete se na nej
pripojit
>> i pomoci SSH. Seriov? konsolov? kabel jsem tam nechal p?ipojen?. Prvotn?
>> ohled?n?: 4x CPU 750Mhz, 3500Gb RAM. Na disky jsem byl u? moc unaven.
>>
>> Na ten men?? server se pod?v?m asi z?tra......
>>
>> PS: Je?t? ?e??m grabnut? confidence... Tro3ku se to sere, kdyby m?l n?kdo
>> MiniDV kameru, bodlo by to...
>>
>> S pozdravem....
>>
>> Tom?? Suchan
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
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From pasky at ucw.cz  Mon Dec 13 16:52:22 2010
From: pasky at ucw.cz (Petr Baudis)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:52:22 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking.....
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim483vmCHUw+d8cB3PiNvO4vexLv_7BWaPs-F2G@mail.gmail.com>
References: <15917.4398.13068-10167-552164417-1292108063@seznam.cz>
	<AANLkTingDDcPGR8Y862QYS4po1nRX6J-+hdwY5eLD2j7@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTim483vmCHUw+d8cB3PiNvO4vexLv_7BWaPs-F2G@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101213155222.GY9230@machine.or.cz>

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 01:33:38PM +0100, Tomas Suchan wrote:
> Jo, jezis sorrrrraaaac, to sem si neuvedomil, mas naprostou pravdu.....
> Dne 2010 12 13 13:04 "niekt0" <niekt0 at hysteria.sk> napsal(a):
> > Budeme musiet nejak ideologicky poriesit tieto mailing listy.
> > Pastnut heslo na roota do verejneho mailinglistu je ok prizblizne do
> > chvile kym ten stroj nie je pripojeny k sieti.

Ja si naopak myslim, ze to je celkem v pohode, zejmena protoze ten stroj
primo ze site videt neni a kdyz si k nemu bude chtit sednout nekdo jiny,
narazi na zbytecne problemy. Muzes ho psat na papirek, ale stejne tu
furt nekdo neco foti a toci videa a na nejakem videt bude.

Ve chvili, kdy stroj nejak ze site videt bude, je cas heslo zmenit. Pak
stejne nebude 'brmbrm' zrovna to prave orechove, a ze se o tom nebude
vedet bude spis jeste horsi. ;-)

				Petr "Pasky" Baudis


From stick at gk2.sk  Mon Dec 13 16:53:50 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:53:50 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking.....
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTingDDcPGR8Y862QYS4po1nRX6J-+hdwY5eLD2j7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <15917.4398.13068-10167-552164417-1292108063@seznam.cz>
	<AANLkTingDDcPGR8Y862QYS4po1nRX6J-+hdwY5eLD2j7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D06418E.6060909@gk2.sk>

On 13/12/10 13:03, niekt0 wrote:
> Budeme musiet nejak ideologicky poriesit tieto mailing listy.
> Pastnut heslo na roota do verejneho mailinglistu je ok prizblizne do
> chvile kym ten stroj nie je pripojeny k sieti.

A ze to vravis prave ty. Nebolo to tak davno, co bolo heslo na hysterku
napisane na verejnych hajzloch v Piestanoch :-)

-- 
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>


From blackhead at blackhead.cz  Mon Dec 13 23:53:55 2010
From: blackhead at blackhead.cz (George Blackhead)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 23:53:55 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking.....
In-Reply-To: <4D06418E.6060909@gk2.sk>
Message-ID: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHKELBDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>

:-D

-----Original Message-----
From: brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz [mailto:brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz]On Behalf Of
Pavol Rusnak
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 4:54 PM
To: Brmlab: Hackerspace Prague (main discussion)
Subject: Re: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking.....


On 13/12/10 13:03, niekt0 wrote:
> Budeme musiet nejak ideologicky poriesit tieto mailing listy.
> Pastnut heslo na roota do verejneho mailinglistu je ok prizblizne do
> chvile kym ten stroj nie je pripojeny k sieti.

A ze to vravis prave ty. Nebolo to tak davno, co bolo heslo na hysterku
napisane na verejnych hajzloch v Piestanoch :-)

--
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>
_______________________________________________
Brmlab mailing list
Brmlab at brmlab.cz
http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab



From juca at members.fsf.org  Tue Dec 14 16:47:43 2010
From: juca at members.fsf.org (Felipe Sanches)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:47:43 -0200
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking #3
In-Reply-To: <4D05F2A6.5080203@ruza.eu>
References: <AANLkTim22vR4UU_JAHVBm-0YSU13KySGzQU2_XivkQpf@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D05F2A6.5080203@ruza.eu>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimK=1fepLsY7eYPSAfK-NTQYdKjMaP7MxL57miF@mail.gmail.com>

I am writting a blogpost about the laser projector project and I need
some videos. Is it possible for you to shoot short videos (around 30
seconds or a minute) of these things, please?

* the simple vector drawing tool (run bedit.py and draw a bit)
* the wallburner (scerensaver) with bezier curves - it is example3.py

thanks,
Felipe Sanches

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:
> if you need some advice regarding chaosvpn/agoralink let me know. ive
> connected brmlab to that vpn
>
> ruza
>
> On 12/12/2010 07:59 PM, Ax wrote:
>> Laser was moved to other room and connected to server there. Results
>> are quite impressive:
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/axtheb/Brmlab
>> Hopefully we can arrange working webcam and some vpn soon... Felippe,
>> do you have access to agoralink/chaosvpn? Using that we can get you
>> link quickly [http://brmlab.cz/project/chaosvpn]
>> And, please, give me commit rights to the repo so I can put my util
>> lib and the rocket game there.
>>
>> Ax
>> _______________________________________________
>> Brmlab mailing list
>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>
>
> --
> e-mail: ?ruza at ruza.eu
> www: ? http://ruza.eu
> ? ? http://brmlab.cz
>


From stick at gk2.sk  Tue Dec 14 22:47:50 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:47:50 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Brmlabi polivka (aka soup)
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=eTC-81eVdPwGxaa=aKUxd77+DY-Xh9kF9zcze@mail.gmail.com>

Ahojte!

Aby sme zviditelnili nase aktivity rozhodli sme sa rozbehat brmlabacke
soup.io - je pristupne na adrese http://soup.brmlab.cz .
Mozte tam hadzat textove spravy, odkazy na youtube s nasimi
aktivitami, odkazy na fotky, proste nieco, co nas bude pekne
reprezentovat vo svete. Pristupove heslo sa dozviete na tejto URL:
http://brmlab.cz/members

Tesim sa na vase prispevky!


-- 
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>


From blackhead at blackhead.cz  Wed Dec 15 00:15:06 2010
From: blackhead at blackhead.cz (George Blackhead)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 00:15:06 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Brmlabi polivka (aka soup)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=eTC-81eVdPwGxaa=aKUxd77+DY-Xh9kF9zcze@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHGELDDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>

Jezis, vona je to zas nejaka neprehledna fejzbukovina... Ten web urcite
nedodrzuje zakladni pravidla HTML a rozhodne neni all-browser-friendly...
:-Q

No, tam chodit nebudu... ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz [mailto:brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz]On Behalf Of
Pavol Rusnak
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:48 PM
To: Prague hackerspace
Subject: [Brmlab] Brmlabi polivka (aka soup)


Ahojte!

Aby sme zviditelnili nase aktivity rozhodli sme sa rozbehat brmlabacke
soup.io - je pristupne na adrese http://soup.brmlab.cz .
Mozte tam hadzat textove spravy, odkazy na youtube s nasimi
aktivitami, odkazy na fotky, proste nieco, co nas bude pekne
reprezentovat vo svete. Pristupove heslo sa dozviete na tejto URL:
http://brmlab.cz/members

Tesim sa na vase prispevky!


--
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>
_______________________________________________
Brmlab mailing list
Brmlab at brmlab.cz
http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab



From pasky at ucw.cz  Wed Dec 15 00:12:52 2010
From: pasky at ucw.cz (Petr Baudis)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 00:12:52 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Brmlabi polivka (aka soup)
In-Reply-To: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHGELDDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
References: <AANLkTi=eTC-81eVdPwGxaa=aKUxd77+DY-Xh9kF9zcze@mail.gmail.com>
	<BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHGELDDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
Message-ID: <20101214231252.GY9230@machine.or.cz>

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:15:06AM +0100, George Blackhead wrote:
> Jezis, vona je to zas nejaka neprehledna fejzbukovina... Ten web urcite
> nedodrzuje zakladni pravidla HTML a rozhodne neni all-browser-friendly...
> :-Q
> 
> No, tam chodit nebudu... ;-)

Ja nevim, ted jsem tam vlezl z elinksu a vypada to relativne v pohode
(nakolik v elinksu muze byt v pohode web urceny primarne pro publikaci
fotek a videi), v cem je problem?

				Petr "Pasky" Baudis


From johny at 2600.cz  Wed Dec 15 00:16:27 2010
From: johny at 2600.cz (JoHnY)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 00:16:27 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Brmlabi polivka (aka soup)
In-Reply-To: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHGELDDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
References: <AANLkTi=eTC-81eVdPwGxaa=aKUxd77+DY-Xh9kF9zcze@mail.gmail.com>
	<BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHGELDDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
Message-ID: <20101215001627.e5f5851a.johny@2600.cz>

Nahodou soup je oproti facebooku najprehladnejsi web na svete :-)
Napriklad: http://picoviny.soup.io/ :-))

JoHnY

On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 00:15:06 +0100
"George Blackhead" <blackhead at blackhead.cz> wrote:

> Jezis, vona je to zas nejaka neprehledna fejzbukovina... Ten web
> urcite nedodrzuje zakladni pravidla HTML a rozhodne neni
> all-browser-friendly... :-Q
> 
> No, tam chodit nebudu... ;-)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz [mailto:brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz]On
> Behalf Of Pavol Rusnak
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:48 PM
> To: Prague hackerspace
> Subject: [Brmlab] Brmlabi polivka (aka soup)
> 
> 
> Ahojte!
> 
> Aby sme zviditelnili nase aktivity rozhodli sme sa rozbehat
> brmlabacke soup.io - je pristupne na adrese http://soup.brmlab.cz .
> Mozte tam hadzat textove spravy, odkazy na youtube s nasimi
> aktivitami, odkazy na fotky, proste nieco, co nas bude pekne
> reprezentovat vo svete. Pristupove heslo sa dozviete na tejto URL:
> http://brmlab.cz/members
> 
> Tesim sa na vase prispevky!
> 
> 
> --
> Best Regards / S pozdravom,
> 
> Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab


 



From niekt0 at hysteria.sk  Wed Dec 15 04:41:22 2010
From: niekt0 at hysteria.sk (niekt0)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 04:41:22 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking #3
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimK=1fepLsY7eYPSAfK-NTQYdKjMaP7MxL57miF@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim22vR4UU_JAHVBm-0YSU13KySGzQU2_XivkQpf@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D05F2A6.5080203@ruza.eu>
	<AANLkTimK=1fepLsY7eYPSAfK-NTQYdKjMaP7MxL57miF@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik2zy2MG=i=28pKkwuSB9uLgziZ0iPeA3NQw2As@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

we spent night in brmlab and
laser initialization from linux is finally working.
Also we fixed some bugs. (everything is in svn)

We just pust a simple video on our youtube,
check soup.brmlab.cz.

enjoy;)

n.
On 12/14/10, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org> wrote:
> I am writting a blogpost about the laser projector project and I need
> some videos. Is it possible for you to shoot short videos (around 30
> seconds or a minute) of these things, please?
>
> * the simple vector drawing tool (run bedit.py and draw a bit)
> * the wallburner (scerensaver) with bezier curves - it is example3.py
>
> thanks,
> Felipe Sanches
>
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:
>> if you need some advice regarding chaosvpn/agoralink let me know. ive
>> connected brmlab to that vpn
>>
>> ruza
>>
>> On 12/12/2010 07:59 PM, Ax wrote:
>>> Laser was moved to other room and connected to server there. Results
>>> are quite impressive:
>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/axtheb/Brmlab
>>> Hopefully we can arrange working webcam and some vpn soon... Felippe,
>>> do you have access to agoralink/chaosvpn? Using that we can get you
>>> link quickly [http://brmlab.cz/project/chaosvpn]
>>> And, please, give me commit rights to the repo so I can put my util
>>> lib and the rocket game there.
>>>
>>> Ax
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Brmlab mailing list
>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>
>>
>> --
>> e-mail:  ruza at ruza.eu
>> www:   http://ruza.eu
>>     http://brmlab.cz
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>


From juca at members.fsf.org  Wed Dec 15 06:01:57 2010
From: juca at members.fsf.org (Felipe Sanches)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 03:01:57 -0200
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking #3
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik2zy2MG=i=28pKkwuSB9uLgziZ0iPeA3NQw2As@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim22vR4UU_JAHVBm-0YSU13KySGzQU2_XivkQpf@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D05F2A6.5080203@ruza.eu>
	<AANLkTimK=1fepLsY7eYPSAfK-NTQYdKjMaP7MxL57miF@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik2zy2MG=i=28pKkwuSB9uLgziZ0iPeA3NQw2As@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=V9JmCECA9p85DMgdVy7hodrig1Dp7xTq0qyYq@mail.gmail.com>

Awesome!!! Congratulations!

Now, we have to figure out the meaning of the usbinit log. Because
simply using it without understanding it is similar to our previous
condition of using proprietary software.

Actually, if our theory that this usbinit performs a firmware upload
is correct, then it is precisely proprietary software that we are
still relying on and that must be fixed.

The benefits of understanding the firmware upload protocol is that we
can create our own free firmware for the device, which opens up
several interesting possibilities for improving the laser display.

Well... I've been dealing a lot recently with this issue of devices
that require non-free firmware in order to work properly. That means I
already have some ideas of strategies that we can try:

Strategy 1:

Inspect the windows driver trying to find blocks of data that are
similar to the usbinit log. This can be useful to give us a clearer
idea of which bytes in the log are firmware code and which ones are
just part of the fw upload protocol.

Strategy 2:

try to disassembly some portions of the usbinit log using a 8051
disassembler. Try to identify something that looks like valid code.
Use that information to thing again about the structure of the
firmware upload protocol.


Lets do it?

cheers,
Felipe Sanches

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:41 AM, niekt0 <niekt0 at hysteria.sk> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> we spent night in brmlab and
> laser initialization from linux is finally working.
> Also we fixed some bugs. (everything is in svn)
>
> We just pust a simple video on our youtube,
> check soup.brmlab.cz.
>
> enjoy;)
>
> n.
> On 12/14/10, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org> wrote:
>> I am writting a blogpost about the laser projector project and I need
>> some videos. Is it possible for you to shoot short videos (around 30
>> seconds or a minute) of these things, please?
>>
>> * the simple vector drawing tool (run bedit.py and draw a bit)
>> * the wallburner (scerensaver) with bezier curves - it is example3.py
>>
>> thanks,
>> Felipe Sanches
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:
>>> if you need some advice regarding chaosvpn/agoralink let me know. ive
>>> connected brmlab to that vpn
>>>
>>> ruza
>>>
>>> On 12/12/2010 07:59 PM, Ax wrote:
>>>> Laser was moved to other room and connected to server there. Results
>>>> are quite impressive:
>>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/axtheb/Brmlab
>>>> Hopefully we can arrange working webcam and some vpn soon... Felippe,
>>>> do you have access to agoralink/chaosvpn? Using that we can get you
>>>> link quickly [http://brmlab.cz/project/chaosvpn]
>>>> And, please, give me commit rights to the repo so I can put my util
>>>> lib and the rocket game there.
>>>>
>>>> Ax
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Brmlab mailing list
>>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> e-mail: ?ruza at ruza.eu
>>> www: ? http://ruza.eu
>>> ? ? http://brmlab.cz
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Brmlab mailing list
>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>


From juca at members.fsf.org  Wed Dec 15 06:23:49 2010
From: juca at members.fsf.org (Felipe Sanches)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 03:23:49 -0200
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking #3
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=V9JmCECA9p85DMgdVy7hodrig1Dp7xTq0qyYq@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim22vR4UU_JAHVBm-0YSU13KySGzQU2_XivkQpf@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D05F2A6.5080203@ruza.eu>
	<AANLkTimK=1fepLsY7eYPSAfK-NTQYdKjMaP7MxL57miF@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik2zy2MG=i=28pKkwuSB9uLgziZ0iPeA3NQw2As@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=V9JmCECA9p85DMgdVy7hodrig1Dp7xTq0qyYq@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=YR9k4w01W0jdBE=oNxWZngXBXixXpz_f0Ykq6@mail.gmail.com>

can you please send me an image of the contents of the instalation CD?
I mean, the Windows drivers.

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org> wrote:
> Awesome!!! Congratulations!
>
> Now, we have to figure out the meaning of the usbinit log. Because
> simply using it without understanding it is similar to our previous
> condition of using proprietary software.
>
> Actually, if our theory that this usbinit performs a firmware upload
> is correct, then it is precisely proprietary software that we are
> still relying on and that must be fixed.
>
> The benefits of understanding the firmware upload protocol is that we
> can create our own free firmware for the device, which opens up
> several interesting possibilities for improving the laser display.
>
> Well... I've been dealing a lot recently with this issue of devices
> that require non-free firmware in order to work properly. That means I
> already have some ideas of strategies that we can try:
>
> Strategy 1:
>
> Inspect the windows driver trying to find blocks of data that are
> similar to the usbinit log. This can be useful to give us a clearer
> idea of which bytes in the log are firmware code and which ones are
> just part of the fw upload protocol.
>
> Strategy 2:
>
> try to disassembly some portions of the usbinit log using a 8051
> disassembler. Try to identify something that looks like valid code.
> Use that information to thing again about the structure of the
> firmware upload protocol.
>
>
> Lets do it?
>
> cheers,
> Felipe Sanches
>
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:41 AM, niekt0 <niekt0 at hysteria.sk> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> we spent night in brmlab and
>> laser initialization from linux is finally working.
>> Also we fixed some bugs. (everything is in svn)
>>
>> We just pust a simple video on our youtube,
>> check soup.brmlab.cz.
>>
>> enjoy;)
>>
>> n.
>> On 12/14/10, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org> wrote:
>>> I am writting a blogpost about the laser projector project and I need
>>> some videos. Is it possible for you to shoot short videos (around 30
>>> seconds or a minute) of these things, please?
>>>
>>> * the simple vector drawing tool (run bedit.py and draw a bit)
>>> * the wallburner (scerensaver) with bezier curves - it is example3.py
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> Felipe Sanches
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:
>>>> if you need some advice regarding chaosvpn/agoralink let me know. ive
>>>> connected brmlab to that vpn
>>>>
>>>> ruza
>>>>
>>>> On 12/12/2010 07:59 PM, Ax wrote:
>>>>> Laser was moved to other room and connected to server there. Results
>>>>> are quite impressive:
>>>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/axtheb/Brmlab
>>>>> Hopefully we can arrange working webcam and some vpn soon... Felippe,
>>>>> do you have access to agoralink/chaosvpn? Using that we can get you
>>>>> link quickly [http://brmlab.cz/project/chaosvpn]
>>>>> And, please, give me commit rights to the repo so I can put my util
>>>>> lib and the rocket game there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ax
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Brmlab mailing list
>>>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>>>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> e-mail: ?ruza at ruza.eu
>>>> www: ? http://ruza.eu
>>>> ? ? http://brmlab.cz
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Brmlab mailing list
>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Brmlab mailing list
>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>
>


From juca at members.fsf.org  Wed Dec 15 11:03:07 2010
From: juca at members.fsf.org (Felipe Sanches)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 08:03:07 -0200
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking #3
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=YR9k4w01W0jdBE=oNxWZngXBXixXpz_f0Ykq6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim22vR4UU_JAHVBm-0YSU13KySGzQU2_XivkQpf@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D05F2A6.5080203@ruza.eu>
	<AANLkTimK=1fepLsY7eYPSAfK-NTQYdKjMaP7MxL57miF@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik2zy2MG=i=28pKkwuSB9uLgziZ0iPeA3NQw2As@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=V9JmCECA9p85DMgdVy7hodrig1Dp7xTq0qyYq@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=YR9k4w01W0jdBE=oNxWZngXBXixXpz_f0Ykq6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikAoDgPh6zspv79p8Fo-quwsHWd8qh=DcjOyqH4@mail.gmail.com>

I have commited new code without testing because I do not have access
to the device. Please test svn revision 260 and report me any bugs
introduced by this commit.

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org> wrote:
> can you please send me an image of the contents of the instalation CD?
> I mean, the Windows drivers.
>
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org> wrote:
>> Awesome!!! Congratulations!
>>
>> Now, we have to figure out the meaning of the usbinit log. Because
>> simply using it without understanding it is similar to our previous
>> condition of using proprietary software.
>>
>> Actually, if our theory that this usbinit performs a firmware upload
>> is correct, then it is precisely proprietary software that we are
>> still relying on and that must be fixed.
>>
>> The benefits of understanding the firmware upload protocol is that we
>> can create our own free firmware for the device, which opens up
>> several interesting possibilities for improving the laser display.
>>
>> Well... I've been dealing a lot recently with this issue of devices
>> that require non-free firmware in order to work properly. That means I
>> already have some ideas of strategies that we can try:
>>
>> Strategy 1:
>>
>> Inspect the windows driver trying to find blocks of data that are
>> similar to the usbinit log. This can be useful to give us a clearer
>> idea of which bytes in the log are firmware code and which ones are
>> just part of the fw upload protocol.
>>
>> Strategy 2:
>>
>> try to disassembly some portions of the usbinit log using a 8051
>> disassembler. Try to identify something that looks like valid code.
>> Use that information to thing again about the structure of the
>> firmware upload protocol.
>>
>>
>> Lets do it?
>>
>> cheers,
>> Felipe Sanches
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:41 AM, niekt0 <niekt0 at hysteria.sk> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> we spent night in brmlab and
>>> laser initialization from linux is finally working.
>>> Also we fixed some bugs. (everything is in svn)
>>>
>>> We just pust a simple video on our youtube,
>>> check soup.brmlab.cz.
>>>
>>> enjoy;)
>>>
>>> n.
>>> On 12/14/10, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org> wrote:
>>>> I am writting a blogpost about the laser projector project and I need
>>>> some videos. Is it possible for you to shoot short videos (around 30
>>>> seconds or a minute) of these things, please?
>>>>
>>>> * the simple vector drawing tool (run bedit.py and draw a bit)
>>>> * the wallburner (scerensaver) with bezier curves - it is example3.py
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>> Felipe Sanches
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:
>>>>> if you need some advice regarding chaosvpn/agoralink let me know. ive
>>>>> connected brmlab to that vpn
>>>>>
>>>>> ruza
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/12/2010 07:59 PM, Ax wrote:
>>>>>> Laser was moved to other room and connected to server there. Results
>>>>>> are quite impressive:
>>>>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/axtheb/Brmlab
>>>>>> Hopefully we can arrange working webcam and some vpn soon... Felippe,
>>>>>> do you have access to agoralink/chaosvpn? Using that we can get you
>>>>>> link quickly [http://brmlab.cz/project/chaosvpn]
>>>>>> And, please, give me commit rights to the repo so I can put my util
>>>>>> lib and the rocket game there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ax
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Brmlab mailing list
>>>>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>>>>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> e-mail: ?ruza at ruza.eu
>>>>> www: ? http://ruza.eu
>>>>> ? ? http://brmlab.cz
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Brmlab mailing list
>>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Brmlab mailing list
>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>>
>>
>


From vatoz at seznam.cz  Wed Dec 15 15:32:41 2010
From: vatoz at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?Vaclav=20Cerny?=)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:32:41 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Brmlab] =?iso-8859-2?q?Reg=E1ly_a_police?=
Message-ID: <21050.7503.16204-20266-1345669475-1292423561@seznam.cz>

Ahoj v?em, 
na stran? Technick?ho muzea padlo kone?n?  rozhodnut?, je u? p?esn? jasn?, jak? reg?ly p?jdou pry?.
Typ? je nakonec v?c, ne? jsem psal p?vodn?. Pevn? douf?m, ?e ty dva vybran? na meetupu (5 ks 60*100 a 10 ks 50*92) by snad uvoln?n? b?t m?ly.
Z?tra (?tvrtek ) odpoledne ve 14:00 je domluven? prohl?dka v?ech uvol?ovan?ch sk??n?/polic/reg?l? - hlavn? ov?em reg?l?. Blackhead p?ijde, bude vyb?rat pro sv? muzeum, pokud chcete dorazit je?t? n?kdo, m??ete - m??eme pak operativn? p?evybrat z?silku, co by p?i?la do Brmlabu.

Pokud budete cht?t n?kdo p?ij?t - sraz je ve 14 hodin na slu?ebn? vr?tnici (je na stran? vedle hlavn?ho vchodu sm?rem do Letensk?ch sad?)  Loc: 50?5'49.827"N, 14?25'29.098"E  , p??padn? mi pros?m potvr?te, pokud n?kdo p?ijdete.

P??padn? dotazy na IRC ?i tady.

Ahoj Vatoz 





From czestmyr at gmail.com  Wed Dec 15 16:32:10 2010
From: czestmyr at gmail.com (Cestmir Houska)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 16:32:10 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] OpenLase (a laser project)
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=nZQvvKhgM2C0Q60vfxTda8-6BgTxMzMY56Ap+@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

I found this project on the 27C3 wiki - apparently the guy will be giving a
lightning talk about his project on day 4! Might be worth checking out.

http://marcansoft.com/blog/2010/11/openlase-open-realtime-laser-graphics/

Czestmyr
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From czestmyr at gmail.com  Wed Dec 15 16:35:59 2010
From: czestmyr at gmail.com (Cestmir Houska)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 16:35:59 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] OpenLase (a laser project)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=nZQvvKhgM2C0Q60vfxTda8-6BgTxMzMY56Ap+@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=nZQvvKhgM2C0Q60vfxTda8-6BgTxMzMY56Ap+@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinNBBkg53VvdGcfrAVFN8XsmspFUG0hfbecUT2M@mail.gmail.com>

I just looked at the laser harp video on his website. That's actually a very
cool idea - real-time interaction with the projected features!
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From jakub.hybler at gmail.com  Wed Dec 15 17:57:50 2010
From: jakub.hybler at gmail.com (Jakub)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:57:50 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] OpenLase (a laser project)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinNBBkg53VvdGcfrAVFN8XsmspFUG0hfbecUT2M@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=nZQvvKhgM2C0Q60vfxTda8-6BgTxMzMY56Ap+@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinNBBkg53VvdGcfrAVFN8XsmspFUG0hfbecUT2M@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C543231D-0E4A-45A6-AB90-BEBD67A06C2C@gmail.com>

v nasich luzich a hajich se interakci s laserem zabejva david vrbik a  
myslim i vladimir518 ....

Jjh

On 15.12.2010, at 16:35, Cestmir Houska <czestmyr at gmail.com> wrote:

> I just looked at the laser harp video on his website. That's  
> actually a very cool idea - real-time interaction with the projected  
> features!
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab


From blackhead at blackhead.cz  Wed Dec 15 20:57:04 2010
From: blackhead at blackhead.cz (George Blackhead)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:57:04 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking #3
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=V9JmCECA9p85DMgdVy7hodrig1Dp7xTq0qyYq@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHKELFDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>

One more thing on this subject:

We should try to check out datasheets of the target chip to find out what is
protocol overhead and what is the firmware code block...

OR

I don't remember the chip's part number, but it should be revealed from
inside of the box - right from the chip/Windows driver VEN_/DEV_ ID.
I remember I found some other fw for this chip on the internet. We should
try to upload that "other" firmware to the chip. It would not work for the
ILDA decoder, but it should show us the way...

;-)

Blackhead


-----Original Message-----
From: brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz [mailto:brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz]On Behalf Of
Felipe Sanches
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:02 AM
To: Brmlab: Hackerspace Prague (main discussion)
Subject: Re: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking #3


Awesome!!! Congratulations!

Now, we have to figure out the meaning of the usbinit log. Because
simply using it without understanding it is similar to our previous
condition of using proprietary software.

Actually, if our theory that this usbinit performs a firmware upload
is correct, then it is precisely proprietary software that we are
still relying on and that must be fixed.

The benefits of understanding the firmware upload protocol is that we
can create our own free firmware for the device, which opens up
several interesting possibilities for improving the laser display.

Well... I've been dealing a lot recently with this issue of devices
that require non-free firmware in order to work properly. That means I
already have some ideas of strategies that we can try:

Strategy 1:

Inspect the windows driver trying to find blocks of data that are
similar to the usbinit log. This can be useful to give us a clearer
idea of which bytes in the log are firmware code and which ones are
just part of the fw upload protocol.

Strategy 2:

try to disassembly some portions of the usbinit log using a 8051
disassembler. Try to identify something that looks like valid code.
Use that information to thing again about the structure of the
firmware upload protocol.


Lets do it?

cheers,
Felipe Sanches

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:41 AM, niekt0 <niekt0 at hysteria.sk> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> we spent night in brmlab and
> laser initialization from linux is finally working.
> Also we fixed some bugs. (everything is in svn)
>
> We just pust a simple video on our youtube,
> check soup.brmlab.cz.
>
> enjoy;)
>
> n.
> On 12/14/10, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org> wrote:
>> I am writting a blogpost about the laser projector project and I need
>> some videos. Is it possible for you to shoot short videos (around 30
>> seconds or a minute) of these things, please?
>>
>> * the simple vector drawing tool (run bedit.py and draw a bit)
>> * the wallburner (scerensaver) with bezier curves - it is example3.py
>>
>> thanks,
>> Felipe Sanches
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:
>>> if you need some advice regarding chaosvpn/agoralink let me know. ive
>>> connected brmlab to that vpn
>>>
>>> ruza
>>>
>>> On 12/12/2010 07:59 PM, Ax wrote:
>>>> Laser was moved to other room and connected to server there. Results
>>>> are quite impressive:
>>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/axtheb/Brmlab
>>>> Hopefully we can arrange working webcam and some vpn soon... Felippe,
>>>> do you have access to agoralink/chaosvpn? Using that we can get you
>>>> link quickly [http://brmlab.cz/project/chaosvpn]
>>>> And, please, give me commit rights to the repo so I can put my util
>>>> lib and the rocket game there.
>>>>
>>>> Ax
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Brmlab mailing list
>>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> e-mail: ?ruza at ruza.eu
>>> www: ? http://ruza.eu
>>> ? ? http://brmlab.cz
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Brmlab mailing list
>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>
_______________________________________________
Brmlab mailing list
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http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab



From ruza at ruza.eu  Wed Dec 15 21:16:31 2010
From: ruza at ruza.eu (Pavel Ruzicka)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:16:31 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking #3
In-Reply-To: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHKELFDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
References: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHKELFDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
Message-ID: <4D09221F.6030106@ruza.eu>

as far as i my browser tabs can remember: stc89c52rc

ruza

On 12/15/2010 08:57 PM, George Blackhead wrote:
> One more thing on this subject:
> 
> We should try to check out datasheets of the target chip to find out what is
> protocol overhead and what is the firmware code block...
> 
> OR
> 
> I don't remember the chip's part number, but it should be revealed from
> inside of the box - right from the chip/Windows driver VEN_/DEV_ ID.
> I remember I found some other fw for this chip on the internet. We should
> try to upload that "other" firmware to the chip. It would not work for the
> ILDA decoder, but it should show us the way...
> 
> ;-)
> 
> Blackhead
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz [mailto:brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz]On Behalf Of
> Felipe Sanches
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:02 AM
> To: Brmlab: Hackerspace Prague (main discussion)
> Subject: Re: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking #3
> 
> 
> Awesome!!! Congratulations!
> 
> Now, we have to figure out the meaning of the usbinit log. Because
> simply using it without understanding it is similar to our previous
> condition of using proprietary software.
> 
> Actually, if our theory that this usbinit performs a firmware upload
> is correct, then it is precisely proprietary software that we are
> still relying on and that must be fixed.
> 
> The benefits of understanding the firmware upload protocol is that we
> can create our own free firmware for the device, which opens up
> several interesting possibilities for improving the laser display.
> 
> Well... I've been dealing a lot recently with this issue of devices
> that require non-free firmware in order to work properly. That means I
> already have some ideas of strategies that we can try:
> 
> Strategy 1:
> 
> Inspect the windows driver trying to find blocks of data that are
> similar to the usbinit log. This can be useful to give us a clearer
> idea of which bytes in the log are firmware code and which ones are
> just part of the fw upload protocol.
> 
> Strategy 2:
> 
> try to disassembly some portions of the usbinit log using a 8051
> disassembler. Try to identify something that looks like valid code.
> Use that information to thing again about the structure of the
> firmware upload protocol.
> 
> 
> Lets do it?
> 
> cheers,
> Felipe Sanches
> 
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:41 AM, niekt0 <niekt0 at hysteria.sk> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> we spent night in brmlab and
>> laser initialization from linux is finally working.
>> Also we fixed some bugs. (everything is in svn)
>>
>> We just pust a simple video on our youtube,
>> check soup.brmlab.cz.
>>
>> enjoy;)
>>
>> n.
>> On 12/14/10, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org> wrote:
>>> I am writting a blogpost about the laser projector project and I need
>>> some videos. Is it possible for you to shoot short videos (around 30
>>> seconds or a minute) of these things, please?
>>>
>>> * the simple vector drawing tool (run bedit.py and draw a bit)
>>> * the wallburner (scerensaver) with bezier curves - it is example3.py
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> Felipe Sanches
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:
>>>> if you need some advice regarding chaosvpn/agoralink let me know. ive
>>>> connected brmlab to that vpn
>>>>
>>>> ruza
>>>>
>>>> On 12/12/2010 07:59 PM, Ax wrote:
>>>>> Laser was moved to other room and connected to server there. Results
>>>>> are quite impressive:
>>>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/axtheb/Brmlab
>>>>> Hopefully we can arrange working webcam and some vpn soon... Felippe,
>>>>> do you have access to agoralink/chaosvpn? Using that we can get you
>>>>> link quickly [http://brmlab.cz/project/chaosvpn]
>>>>> And, please, give me commit rights to the repo so I can put my util
>>>>> lib and the rocket game there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ax
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Brmlab mailing list
>>>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>>>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> e-mail:  ruza at ruza.eu
>>>> www:   http://ruza.eu
>>>>     http://brmlab.cz
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Brmlab mailing list
>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>
> _______________________________________________
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     http://brmlab.cz


From blackhead at blackhead.cz  Wed Dec 15 21:36:33 2010
From: blackhead at blackhead.cz (George Blackhead)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:36:33 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] =?iso-8859-2?q?Reg=E1ly_a_police?=
In-Reply-To: <21050.7503.16204-20266-1345669475-1292423561@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHEELGDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>

Abych to upresnil, ja samozrejme hodlam zkontrolovat a i odsouhlasit dodavku
regalu i pro Brmlab. Vim jaky chce Brmlab, vim kolik, tak to neni problem.

Jak jiste vite, byl jsem jmenovan velicim dustojnikem pro boj ve skladisti,
takze to resim prednostne ja. Pokud CHCETE JESTE NEKDO JINY, klidne se zitra
dostavte, omrknout to...

;-)

BH

-----Original Message-----
From: brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz [mailto:brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz]On
Behalf Of Vaclav Cerny
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 3:33 PM
To: brmlab at brmlab.cz
Subject: [Brmlab] Reg?ly a police


Ahoj v?em,
na stran? Technick?ho muzea padlo kone?n?  rozhodnut?, je u? p?esn? jasn?,
jak? reg?ly p?jdou pry?.
Typ? je nakonec v?c, ne? jsem psal p?vodn?. Pevn? douf?m, ?e ty dva vybran?
na meetupu (5 ks 60*100 a 10 ks 50*92) by snad uvoln?n? b?t m?ly.
Z?tra (?tvrtek ) odpoledne ve 14:00 je domluven? prohl?dka v?ech
uvol?ovan?ch sk??n?/polic/reg?l? - hlavn? ov?em reg?l?. Blackhead p?ijde,
bude vyb?rat pro sv? muzeum, pokud chcete dorazit je?t? n?kdo, m??ete -
m??eme pak operativn? p?evybrat z?silku, co by p?i?la do Brmlabu.

Pokud budete cht?t n?kdo p?ij?t - sraz je ve 14 hodin na slu?ebn? vr?tnici
(je na stran? vedle hlavn?ho vchodu sm?rem do Letensk?ch sad?)  Loc:
50?5'49.827"N, 14?25'29.098"E  , p??padn? mi pros?m potvr?te, pokud n?kdo
p?ijdete.

P??padn? dotazy na IRC ?i tady.

Ahoj Vatoz



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From blackhead at blackhead.cz  Wed Dec 15 21:39:37 2010
From: blackhead at blackhead.cz (George Blackhead)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:39:37 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] OpenLase (a laser project)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=nZQvvKhgM2C0Q60vfxTda8-6BgTxMzMY56Ap+@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHKELGDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>

Dohajzlutojeneco!
  -----Original Message-----
  From: brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz [mailto:brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz]On Behalf
Of Cestmir Houska
  Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 4:32 PM
  To: Prague hackerspace
  Subject: [Brmlab] OpenLase (a laser project)


  Hi!


  I found this project on the 27C3 wiki - apparently the guy will be giving
a lightning talk about his project on day 4! Might be worth checking out.


  http://marcansoft.com/blog/2010/11/openlase-open-realtime-laser-graphics/


  Czestmyr
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From stick at gk2.sk  Wed Dec 15 21:37:29 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:37:29 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] OpenLase (a laser project)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=nZQvvKhgM2C0Q60vfxTda8-6BgTxMzMY56Ap+@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=nZQvvKhgM2C0Q60vfxTda8-6BgTxMzMY56Ap+@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D092709.9060707@gk2.sk>

On 15/12/10 16:32, Cestmir Houska wrote:
> I found this project on the 27C3 wiki - apparently the guy will be giving a
> lightning talk about his project on day 4! Might be worth checking out.

"Lightning talk" sounds particularly funny when said in context with
laser project presentation. :-)

-- 
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>


From blackhead at blackhead.cz  Wed Dec 15 21:46:44 2010
From: blackhead at blackhead.cz (George Blackhead)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:46:44 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] OpenLase (a laser project)
In-Reply-To: <4D092709.9060707@gk2.sk>
Message-ID: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHEELHDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>

:-D

-----Original Message-----
From: brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz [mailto:brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz]On Behalf Of
Pavol Rusnak
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 9:37 PM
To: Brmlab: Hackerspace Prague (main discussion)
Subject: Re: [Brmlab] OpenLase (a laser project)


On 15/12/10 16:32, Cestmir Houska wrote:
> I found this project on the 27C3 wiki - apparently the guy will be giving
a
> lightning talk about his project on day 4! Might be worth checking out.

"Lightning talk" sounds particularly funny when said in context with
laser project presentation. :-)

--
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>
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From juca at members.fsf.org  Thu Dec 16 00:23:23 2010
From: juca at members.fsf.org (Felipe Sanches)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:23:23 -0200
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking #3
In-Reply-To: <4D09221F.6030106@ruza.eu>
References: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHKELFDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
	<4D09221F.6030106@ruza.eu>
Message-ID: <AANLkTiny+M5h=vDdxgPzjnL8kmhe+QBM-NEnzLt=Vdg0@mail.gmail.com>

bad thing is that the pdf was not really corrupter or incompatible
with evince. The issue was that the pdf was written in japanese, for
which I did nont have fonts installed. I coudnt find any english
version of the datasheets. The only useful information I gathered from
looking at the pictures in the datasheet is that it contains a 8051
MCU and seems to have SPI and RS232 interfaces.

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:
> as far as i my browser tabs can remember: stc89c52rc
>
> ruza
>
> On 12/15/2010 08:57 PM, George Blackhead wrote:
>> One more thing on this subject:
>>
>> We should try to check out datasheets of the target chip to find out what is
>> protocol overhead and what is the firmware code block...
>>
>> OR
>>
>> I don't remember the chip's part number, but it should be revealed from
>> inside of the box - right from the chip/Windows driver VEN_/DEV_ ID.
>> I remember I found some other fw for this chip on the internet. We should
>> try to upload that "other" firmware to the chip. It would not work for the
>> ILDA decoder, but it should show us the way...
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Blackhead
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz [mailto:brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz]On Behalf Of
>> Felipe Sanches
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:02 AM
>> To: Brmlab: Hackerspace Prague (main discussion)
>> Subject: Re: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking #3
>>
>>
>> Awesome!!! Congratulations!
>>
>> Now, we have to figure out the meaning of the usbinit log. Because
>> simply using it without understanding it is similar to our previous
>> condition of using proprietary software.
>>
>> Actually, if our theory that this usbinit performs a firmware upload
>> is correct, then it is precisely proprietary software that we are
>> still relying on and that must be fixed.
>>
>> The benefits of understanding the firmware upload protocol is that we
>> can create our own free firmware for the device, which opens up
>> several interesting possibilities for improving the laser display.
>>
>> Well... I've been dealing a lot recently with this issue of devices
>> that require non-free firmware in order to work properly. That means I
>> already have some ideas of strategies that we can try:
>>
>> Strategy 1:
>>
>> Inspect the windows driver trying to find blocks of data that are
>> similar to the usbinit log. This can be useful to give us a clearer
>> idea of which bytes in the log are firmware code and which ones are
>> just part of the fw upload protocol.
>>
>> Strategy 2:
>>
>> try to disassembly some portions of the usbinit log using a 8051
>> disassembler. Try to identify something that looks like valid code.
>> Use that information to thing again about the structure of the
>> firmware upload protocol.
>>
>>
>> Lets do it?
>>
>> cheers,
>> Felipe Sanches
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:41 AM, niekt0 <niekt0 at hysteria.sk> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> we spent night in brmlab and
>>> laser initialization from linux is finally working.
>>> Also we fixed some bugs. (everything is in svn)
>>>
>>> We just pust a simple video on our youtube,
>>> check soup.brmlab.cz.
>>>
>>> enjoy;)
>>>
>>> n.
>>> On 12/14/10, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org> wrote:
>>>> I am writting a blogpost about the laser projector project and I need
>>>> some videos. Is it possible for you to shoot short videos (around 30
>>>> seconds or a minute) of these things, please?
>>>>
>>>> * the simple vector drawing tool (run bedit.py and draw a bit)
>>>> * the wallburner (scerensaver) with bezier curves - it is example3.py
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>> Felipe Sanches
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:
>>>>> if you need some advice regarding chaosvpn/agoralink let me know. ive
>>>>> connected brmlab to that vpn
>>>>>
>>>>> ruza
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/12/2010 07:59 PM, Ax wrote:
>>>>>> Laser was moved to other room and connected to server there. Results
>>>>>> are quite impressive:
>>>>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/axtheb/Brmlab
>>>>>> Hopefully we can arrange working webcam and some vpn soon... Felippe,
>>>>>> do you have access to agoralink/chaosvpn? Using that we can get you
>>>>>> link quickly [http://brmlab.cz/project/chaosvpn]
>>>>>> And, please, give me commit rights to the repo so I can put my util
>>>>>> lib and the rocket game there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ax
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Brmlab mailing list
>>>>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>>>>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> e-mail: ?ruza at ruza.eu
>>>>> www: ? http://ruza.eu
>>>>> ? ? http://brmlab.cz
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Brmlab mailing list
>>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Brmlab mailing list
>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Brmlab mailing list
>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Brmlab mailing list
>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>
>
> --
> e-mail: ?ruza at ruza.eu
> www: ? http://ruza.eu
> ? ? http://brmlab.cz
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> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>


From kxt at jenikovo.com  Thu Dec 16 13:58:49 2010
From: kxt at jenikovo.com (Jan Svec)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:58:49 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] OpenLase (a laser project)
In-Reply-To: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHKELGDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
References: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHKELGDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
Message-ID: <4D0A0D09.3010504@jenikovo.com>

Vyborny, chtel jsem si diy laser harp 2 midi stavet a ono je to uz
vyreseny, prima :)

On 12/15/2010 09:39 PM, George Blackhead wrote:
> Dohajzlutojeneco!
> 
>     -----Original Message-----
>     *From:* brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz
>     [mailto:brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz]*On Behalf Of *Cestmir Houska
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, December 15, 2010 4:32 PM
>     *To:* Prague hackerspace
>     *Subject:* [Brmlab] OpenLase (a laser project)
> 
>     Hi!
> 
>     I found this project on the 27C3 wiki - apparently the guy will be
>     giving a lightning talk about his project on day 4! Might be worth
>     checking out.
> 
>     http://marcansoft.com/blog/2010/11/openlase-open-realtime-laser-graphics/
> 
>     Czestmyr
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab



From blackhead at blackhead.cz  Thu Dec 16 17:24:42 2010
From: blackhead at blackhead.cz (George Blackhead)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:24:42 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] =?iso-8859-2?q?Reg=E1ly_a_police?=
In-Reply-To: <21050.7503.16204-20266-1345669475-1292423561@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHCELIDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>


   POZOR VSICHNI!!!


Prosim o pozornost. Dnes jsem byl v NTM na kukacku, regaly pro Brmlab tam
jsou k dispozici (bohuzel pro moje muzeum asi nezbydou).

Hledam dobrovolniky na demontaz regalu!

Kdo z Vas bude mit zitra mezi 14:00 a 19:00 cas? Ja tam vyrazim na 14:00,
muzeum se uzavira v 19:00. NTM specha na vyklizeni prostor, takze cim driv,
tim lip.
Na demontaz je potreba aspon dvou lidi na kus, je to trochu silove
narocnejsi, nez IKEA... ;-)

Naradi s sebou! Srouby jsou s drazkou a matky maj sirku 13-14mm (to je
trinactka/ctrnactka klic?).

Dejte vedet, nebo se primo dostavte...


KDYBY... se seslo vice jedincu, kteri zitra nemohou ale shodnou se na jeden
den v pristim tydnu, presunem to/udelame dve akce.

V kazdym pripade tam zitra vyrazim ja (Vatoz bude pritomen).

BH


-----Original Message-----
From: brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz [mailto:brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz]On
Behalf Of Vaclav Cerny
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 3:33 PM
To: brmlab at brmlab.cz
Subject: [Brmlab] Reg?ly a police


Ahoj v?em,
na stran? Technick?ho muzea padlo kone?n?  rozhodnut?, je u? p?esn? jasn?,
jak? reg?ly p?jdou pry?.
Typ? je nakonec v?c, ne? jsem psal p?vodn?. Pevn? douf?m, ?e ty dva vybran?
na meetupu (5 ks 60*100 a 10 ks 50*92) by snad uvoln?n? b?t m?ly.
Z?tra (?tvrtek ) odpoledne ve 14:00 je domluven? prohl?dka v?ech
uvol?ovan?ch sk??n?/polic/reg?l? - hlavn? ov?em reg?l?. Blackhead p?ijde,
bude vyb?rat pro sv? muzeum, pokud chcete dorazit je?t? n?kdo, m??ete -
m??eme pak operativn? p?evybrat z?silku, co by p?i?la do Brmlabu.

Pokud budete cht?t n?kdo p?ij?t - sraz je ve 14 hodin na slu?ebn? vr?tnici
(je na stran? vedle hlavn?ho vchodu sm?rem do Letensk?ch sad?)  Loc:
50?5'49.827"N, 14?25'29.098"E  , p??padn? mi pros?m potvr?te, pokud n?kdo
p?ijdete.

P??padn? dotazy na IRC ?i tady.

Ahoj Vatoz



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From stick at gk2.sk  Thu Dec 16 18:20:20 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:20:20 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] =?iso-8859-2?q?Reg=E1ly_a_police?=
In-Reply-To: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHCELIDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
References: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHCELIDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
Message-ID: <4D0A4A54.7080905@gk2.sk>

On 16/12/10 17:24, George Blackhead wrote:
> Kdo z Vas bude mit zitra mezi 14:00 a 19:00 cas? Ja tam vyrazim na 14:00,
> muzeum se uzavira v 19:00. NTM specha na vyklizeni prostor, takze cim driv,

Ja sa pokusim prist cim skor aj s vlastnym autom, ale v mojom pripade to
znamena tak cca o 18:00.

-- 
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>


From ruza at ruza.eu  Thu Dec 16 18:27:15 2010
From: ruza at ruza.eu (Pavel Ruzicka)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:27:15 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] =?iso-8859-2?q?Reg=E1ly_a_police?=
In-Reply-To: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHCELIDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
References: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHCELIDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
Message-ID: <4D0A4BF3.4060307@ruza.eu>

prijdu pomoct, ruza

On 12/16/2010 05:24 PM, George Blackhead wrote:
> 
>    POZOR VSICHNI!!!
> 
> 
> Hledam dobrovolniky na demontaz regalu!
-- 
e-mail:  ruza at ruza.eu
www:   http://ruza.eu
     http://brmlab.cz


From ruza at ruza.eu  Thu Dec 16 19:45:39 2010
From: ruza at ruza.eu (Pavel Ruzicka)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 19:45:39 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking #3
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikAoDgPh6zspv79p8Fo-quwsHWd8qh=DcjOyqH4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim22vR4UU_JAHVBm-0YSU13KySGzQU2_XivkQpf@mail.gmail.com>	<4D05F2A6.5080203@ruza.eu>	<AANLkTimK=1fepLsY7eYPSAfK-NTQYdKjMaP7MxL57miF@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTik2zy2MG=i=28pKkwuSB9uLgziZ0iPeA3NQw2As@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=V9JmCECA9p85DMgdVy7hodrig1Dp7xTq0qyYq@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=YR9k4w01W0jdBE=oNxWZngXBXixXpz_f0Ykq6@mail.gmail.com>
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Ive just tried revision 261. Few things:

* laser-server.py line 53 delete ":" character

* instead of rewriting LD call in each script, it would be great to have
config file like

LOCAL_DEVICE=true  # or SRV_* for tcp
SRV_HOST=localhost
SRV_PORT=5000

and "library would" make connection directly to the device or via tcp
based on that variables.

* code should automaticaly detect if the device is initializsed or not
(based on VendorID) and make that initialisation if its needed and draw.
For example example1.py fails on comunicating with vendorID 3333 when
device is directly connected and card is already initialised.

* security (optional)
 - device probably shouldnt accept something like "draw a single dot for
a long time". There is a chance somebody would stare to the lasaer
instantly.
 - device shouldnt shine for a long time without intervention. It should
stop drawing if nobody is sending "new things to draw", it shorten
lifetime of the laser device otherwise. TIMEOUT=30min could be default
for example.

ruza


On 12/15/2010 11:03 AM, Felipe Sanches wrote:
> I have commited new code without testing because I do not have access
> to the device. Please test svn revision 260 and report me any bugs
> introduced by this commit.
> 
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org> wrote:
>> can you please send me an image of the contents of the instalation CD?
>> I mean, the Windows drivers.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org> wrote:
>>> Awesome!!! Congratulations!
>>>
>>> Now, we have to figure out the meaning of the usbinit log. Because
>>> simply using it without understanding it is similar to our previous
>>> condition of using proprietary software.
>>>
>>> Actually, if our theory that this usbinit performs a firmware upload
>>> is correct, then it is precisely proprietary software that we are
>>> still relying on and that must be fixed.
>>>
>>> The benefits of understanding the firmware upload protocol is that we
>>> can create our own free firmware for the device, which opens up
>>> several interesting possibilities for improving the laser display.
>>>
>>> Well... I've been dealing a lot recently with this issue of devices
>>> that require non-free firmware in order to work properly. That means I
>>> already have some ideas of strategies that we can try:
>>>
>>> Strategy 1:
>>>
>>> Inspect the windows driver trying to find blocks of data that are
>>> similar to the usbinit log. This can be useful to give us a clearer
>>> idea of which bytes in the log are firmware code and which ones are
>>> just part of the fw upload protocol.
>>>
>>> Strategy 2:
>>>
>>> try to disassembly some portions of the usbinit log using a 8051
>>> disassembler. Try to identify something that looks like valid code.
>>> Use that information to thing again about the structure of the
>>> firmware upload protocol.
>>>
>>>
>>> Lets do it?
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Felipe Sanches
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:41 AM, niekt0 <niekt0 at hysteria.sk> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> we spent night in brmlab and
>>>> laser initialization from linux is finally working.
>>>> Also we fixed some bugs. (everything is in svn)
>>>>
>>>> We just pust a simple video on our youtube,
>>>> check soup.brmlab.cz.
>>>>
>>>> enjoy;)
>>>>
>>>> n.
>>>> On 12/14/10, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org> wrote:
>>>>> I am writting a blogpost about the laser projector project and I need
>>>>> some videos. Is it possible for you to shoot short videos (around 30
>>>>> seconds or a minute) of these things, please?
>>>>>
>>>>> * the simple vector drawing tool (run bedit.py and draw a bit)
>>>>> * the wallburner (scerensaver) with bezier curves - it is example3.py
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>> Felipe Sanches
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:
>>>>>> if you need some advice regarding chaosvpn/agoralink let me know. ive
>>>>>> connected brmlab to that vpn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ruza
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/12/2010 07:59 PM, Ax wrote:
>>>>>>> Laser was moved to other room and connected to server there. Results
>>>>>>> are quite impressive:
>>>>>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/axtheb/Brmlab
>>>>>>> Hopefully we can arrange working webcam and some vpn soon... Felippe,
>>>>>>> do you have access to agoralink/chaosvpn? Using that we can get you
>>>>>>> link quickly [http://brmlab.cz/project/chaosvpn]
>>>>>>> And, please, give me commit rights to the repo so I can put my util
>>>>>>> lib and the rocket game there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ax
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Brmlab mailing list
>>>>>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>>>>>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> e-mail:  ruza at ruza.eu
>>>>>> www:   http://ruza.eu
>>>>>>     http://brmlab.cz
>>>>>>
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>>>
>>
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From blackhead at blackhead.cz  Thu Dec 16 20:11:28 2010
From: blackhead at blackhead.cz (George Blackhead)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 20:11:28 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Regaly a police
In-Reply-To: <4D0A4A54.7080905@gk2.sk>
Message-ID: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHEELJDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>

Pokud tomu spravne rozumim, odvoz by se potom zaridil jednotne, mozna i za
pomoci NTM (Vatoz mluvil o nejakem ochotnem ridici). Takze to auto asi
nebude treba. Ale jestli stejne prijedes autem, muze se to rovnou resit...
Domluvime se na miste.

BH

-----Original Message-----
From: brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz [mailto:brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz]On Behalf Of
Pavol Rusnak
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 6:20 PM
To: Brmlab: Hackerspace Prague (main discussion)
Subject: Re: [Brmlab] Regaly a police


On 16/12/10 17:24, George Blackhead wrote:
> Kdo z Vas bude mit zitra mezi 14:00 a 19:00 cas? Ja tam vyrazim na 14:00,
> muzeum se uzavira v 19:00. NTM specha na vyklizeni prostor, takze cim
driv,

Ja sa pokusim prist cim skor aj s vlastnym autom, ale v mojom pripade to
znamena tak cca o 18:00.

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From blackhead at blackhead.cz  Thu Dec 16 20:11:31 2010
From: blackhead at blackhead.cz (George Blackhead)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 20:11:31 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Regaly a police
In-Reply-To: <4D0A4BF3.4060307@ruza.eu>
Message-ID: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHGELJDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>

Danke!

-----Original Message-----
From: brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz [mailto:brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz]On Behalf Of
Pavel Ruzicka
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 6:27 PM
To: Brmlab: Hackerspace Prague (main discussion)
Subject: Re: [Brmlab] Regaly a police


prijdu pomoct, ruza

On 12/16/2010 05:24 PM, George Blackhead wrote:
>
>    POZOR VSICHNI!!!
>
>
> Hledam dobrovolniky na demontaz regalu!
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From niekt0 at hysteria.sk  Thu Dec 16 23:44:58 2010
From: niekt0 at hysteria.sk (niekt0)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 23:44:58 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] =?iso-8859-1?q?Reg=E1ly_a_police?=
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Ja skusim dorazit,
snad okolo 15:00.

n.

On 12/16/10, Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:
> prijdu pomoct, ruza
>
> On 12/16/2010 05:24 PM, George Blackhead wrote:
>>
>>    POZOR VSICHNI!!!
>>
>>
>> Hledam dobrovolniky na demontaz regalu!
> --
> e-mail:  ruza at ruza.eu
> www:   http://ruza.eu
>      http://brmlab.cz
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From b00lean at b00lean.net  Fri Dec 17 00:29:46 2010
From: b00lean at b00lean.net (b00lean)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 00:29:46 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] =?iso-8859-2?q?Reg=E1ly_a_police?=
In-Reply-To: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHCELIDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
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Ahoj,
Omlouvam se ale zitra na demontaz nemuzu. 
Ale hlasim se na montaz regalu.

b00

-----Original Message-----
From: brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz [mailto:brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz] On Behalf
Of George Blackhead
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:25 PM
To: Brmlab: Hackerspace Prague (main discussion)
Subject: Re: [Brmlab] Reg?ly a police


   POZOR VSICHNI!!!


Prosim o pozornost. Dnes jsem byl v NTM na kukacku, regaly pro Brmlab tam
jsou k dispozici (bohuzel pro moje muzeum asi nezbydou).

Hledam dobrovolniky na demontaz regalu!

Kdo z Vas bude mit zitra mezi 14:00 a 19:00 cas? Ja tam vyrazim na 14:00,
muzeum se uzavira v 19:00. NTM specha na vyklizeni prostor, takze cim driv,
tim lip.
Na demontaz je potreba aspon dvou lidi na kus, je to trochu silove
narocnejsi, nez IKEA... ;-)

Naradi s sebou! Srouby jsou s drazkou a matky maj sirku 13-14mm (to je
trinactka/ctrnactka klic?).

Dejte vedet, nebo se primo dostavte...


KDYBY... se seslo vice jedincu, kteri zitra nemohou ale shodnou se na jeden
den v pristim tydnu, presunem to/udelame dve akce.

V kazdym pripade tam zitra vyrazim ja (Vatoz bude pritomen).

BH


-----Original Message-----
From: brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz [mailto:brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz]On
Behalf Of Vaclav Cerny
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 3:33 PM
To: brmlab at brmlab.cz
Subject: [Brmlab] Reg?ly a police


Ahoj v?em,
na stran? Technick?ho muzea padlo kone?n?  rozhodnut?, je u? p?esn? jasn?,
jak? reg?ly p?jdou pry?.
Typ? je nakonec v?c, ne? jsem psal p?vodn?. Pevn? douf?m, ?e ty dva vybran?
na meetupu (5 ks 60*100 a 10 ks 50*92) by snad uvoln?n? b?t m?ly.
Z?tra (?tvrtek ) odpoledne ve 14:00 je domluven? prohl?dka v?ech
uvol?ovan?ch sk??n?/polic/reg?l? - hlavn? ov?em reg?l?. Blackhead p?ijde,
bude vyb?rat pro sv? muzeum, pokud chcete dorazit je?t? n?kdo, m??ete -
m??eme pak operativn? p?evybrat z?silku, co by p?i?la do Brmlabu.

Pokud budete cht?t n?kdo p?ij?t - sraz je ve 14 hodin na slu?ebn? vr?tnici
(je na stran? vedle hlavn?ho vchodu sm?rem do Letensk?ch sad?)  Loc:
50?5'49.827"N, 14?25'29.098"E  , p??padn? mi pros?m potvr?te, pokud n?kdo
p?ijdete.

P??padn? dotazy na IRC ?i tady.

Ahoj Vatoz



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From vatoz at seznam.cz  Fri Dec 17 10:44:41 2010
From: vatoz at seznam.cz (=?us-ascii?Q?Vaclav=20Cerny?=)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:44:41 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Brmlab] =?iso-8859-2?q?Reg=E1ly_a_police?=
Message-ID: <21105.7549.16307-27511-1811896123-1292579081@seznam.cz>

Ahoj, 
na Letn? je z?nov? st?n?. N?jak? m?sta bez placen? jsou p??mo p?ed Zem?d?lsk?m muzeem - budova hned vedle - ale to je jen o v?kendu a ve ve?ern?ch hodin?ch. Nev?m jestli za??naj? v 6 ?i pozd?ji. Pokud pozd?ji tak mi zavolej a j? otev?u muzejn? parkovi?t?. 
Vatoz  (GSM: 728303155)

> ------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------
> Od: Pavol Rusnak &amp;lt;&lt;a href="<a href="mailto:stick at gk2.sk">mailto:stick at gk2.sk</a>"><a href="mailto:stick at gk2.sk">stick at gk2.sk</a>&lt;/a>>
> P?edm?t: Re: [Brmlab] Reg?ly a police
> Datum: 16.12.2010 18:21:58
> ----------------------------------------
> On 16/12/10 17:24, George Blackhead wrote:
> > Kdo z Vas bude mit zitra mezi 14:00 a 19:00 cas? Ja tam vyrazim na 14:00,
> > muzeum se uzavira v 19:00. NTM specha na vyklizeni prostor, takze cim driv,
> 
> Ja sa pokusim prist cim skor aj s vlastnym autom, ale v mojom pripade to
> znamena tak cca o 18:00.
> 
> -- 
> Best Regards / S pozdravom,
> 
> Pavol Rusnak &amp;lt;&lt;a href="<a href="mailto:stick at gk2.sk">mailto:stick at gk2.sk</a>"><a href="mailto:stick at gk2.sk">stick at gk2.sk</a>&lt;/a>>
> _______________________________________________
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> &lt;a href="<a href="mailto:Brmlab at brmlab.cz">mailto:Brmlab at brmlab.cz</a>"><a href="mailto:Brmlab at brmlab.cz">Brmlab at brmlab.cz</a>&lt;/a>
> &lt;a href="<a href="http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab">http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab</a>"><a href="http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab">http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab</a>&lt;/a>
> 
> 
> 


From kvapilludek at gmail.com  Fri Dec 17 16:26:10 2010
From: kvapilludek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Lud=ECk_Kvapil?=)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:26:10 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] wikileaks.cz
Message-ID: <AANLkTik0YBXiv7h_Z66rjfAj1wUp3Yfb2BGjnJYaNvM9@mail.gmail.com>

Zdrav?m v?echny,
  jsem majitel a prozat?m koordin?tor https://www.wikileaks.cz. Chci  zde
zalo?it nez?visl? a transparentn? informa?n? port?l.

D?le chci zalo?it NGO Wikileaks.cz.

Projekt je v po??tc?ch. Uv?t?m jakoukoliv pomoc. Jedn? se o neziskovou
aktivitu.

Pokud m??ete n?jak p?isp?t, tak mi napi?te.  Sh?n?m p?ekladatele i nov?
zdroje informac?.



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From ruza at ruza.eu  Fri Dec 17 20:40:17 2010
From: ruza at ruza.eu (Pavel Ruzicka)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 20:40:17 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] =?iso-8859-2?q?Reg=E1ly_a_police?=
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http://picasaweb.google.com/321tidit/BrmlabBydliVBubenske#5551720475856008834

muzou se hlasit dobrovolnici na montaz :)

ruza

On 12/17/2010 10:44 AM, Vaclav Cerny wrote:
> Ahoj, 
> na Letn? je z?nov? st?n?. N?jak? m?sta bez placen? jsou p??mo p?ed Zem?d?lsk?m muzeem - budova hned vedle - ale to je jen o v?kendu a ve ve?ern?ch hodin?ch. Nev?m jestli za??naj? v 6 ?i pozd?ji. Pokud pozd?ji tak mi zavolej a j? otev?u muzejn? parkovi?t?. 
> 
>> ------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------
>> Od: Pavol Rusnak &amp;lt;&lt;a href="<a href="mailto:stick at gk2.sk">mailto:stick at gk2.sk</a>"><a href="mailto:stick at gk2.sk">stick at gk2.sk</a>&lt;/a>>
>> P?edm?t: Re: [Brmlab] Reg?ly a police
>> Datum: 16.12.2010 18:21:58
>> ----------------------------------------
>> On 16/12/10 17:24, George Blackhead wrote:
>>> Kdo z Vas bude mit zitra mezi 14:00 a 19:00 cas? Ja tam vyrazim na 14:00,
>>> muzeum se uzavira v 19:00. NTM specha na vyklizeni prostor, takze cim driv,
>>
>> Ja sa pokusim prist cim skor aj s vlastnym autom, ale v mojom pripade to
>> znamena tak cca o 18:00.
>>
>> -- 
>> Best Regards / S pozdravom,
>>
>> Pavol Rusnak &amp;lt;&lt;a href="<a href="mailto:stick at gk2.sk">mailto:stick at gk2.sk</a>"><a href="mailto:stick at gk2.sk">stick at gk2.sk</a>&lt;/a>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Brmlab mailing list
>> &lt;a href="<a href="mailto:Brmlab at brmlab.cz">mailto:Brmlab at brmlab.cz</a>"><a href="mailto:Brmlab at brmlab.cz">Brmlab at brmlab.cz</a>&lt;/a>
>> &lt;a href="<a href="http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab">http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab</a>"><a href="http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab">http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab</a>&lt;/a>
>>
>>
>>
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From blackhead at blackhead.cz  Fri Dec 17 22:35:15 2010
From: blackhead at blackhead.cz (George Blackhead)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 22:35:15 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] =?iso-8859-2?q?Reg=E1ly_a_police?=
In-Reply-To: <4D0BBCA1.7000101@ruza.eu>
Message-ID: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHGELLDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>

Tak, muzeme to shrnout:

-z NTM jsme dnes prevzali cca 20+ regalu o rozmerech 90x50x200. Vic toho
nebude.
-puvodne planovane regaly v druhem rozmeru 100x60x200, nejsou k dispozici.
-Brmlab si napocital 15 regalu celkem, takze jsem jich 15 rezervoval, i kdyz
jsou to jen ty mensi.
-vsechny ostatni regaly ktere Brmlab nevyuzije bych si rad zamluvil, tak jak
to bylo puvodne domluveno. Jen jich holt na mne zbyde min.. :-(
-regaly bude treba nejak rozumne skompletovat, nektere mely spolecne dve
nohy pro dve police, nektere byly samostatne, ctyri nohy na polici. Me je
jedno, jaka konfigurace na me zbyde, kdyz budu schopen to nejak rozumne
vyuzit.

Dekuji za pozornost.
BH


-----Original Message-----
From: brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz [mailto:brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz]On
Behalf Of Pavel Ruzicka
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 8:40 PM
To: Brmlab: Hackerspace Prague (main discussion)
Subject: Re: [Brmlab] Reg?ly a police


http://picasaweb.google.com/321tidit/BrmlabBydliVBubenske#555172047585600883
4

muzou se hlasit dobrovolnici na montaz :)

ruza

On 12/17/2010 10:44 AM, Vaclav Cerny wrote:
> Ahoj,
> na Letn? je z?nov? st?n?. N?jak? m?sta bez placen? jsou p??mo p?ed
Zem?d?lsk?m muzeem - budova hned vedle - ale to je jen o v?kendu a ve
ve?ern?ch hodin?ch. Nev?m jestli za??naj? v 6 ?i pozd?ji. Pokud pozd?ji tak
mi zavolej a j? otev?u muzejn? parkovi?t?.
>
>> ------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------
>> Od: Pavol Rusnak &amp;lt;&lt;a href="<a
href="mailto:stick at gk2.sk">mailto:stick at gk2.sk</a>"><a
href="mailto:stick at gk2.sk">stick at gk2.sk</a>&lt;/a>>
>> P?edm?t: Re: [Brmlab] Reg?ly a police
>> Datum: 16.12.2010 18:21:58
>> ----------------------------------------
>> On 16/12/10 17:24, George Blackhead wrote:
>>> Kdo z Vas bude mit zitra mezi 14:00 a 19:00 cas? Ja tam vyrazim na
14:00,
>>> muzeum se uzavira v 19:00. NTM specha na vyklizeni prostor, takze cim
driv,
>>
>> Ja sa pokusim prist cim skor aj s vlastnym autom, ale v mojom pripade to
>> znamena tak cca o 18:00.
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards / S pozdravom,
>>
>> Pavol Rusnak &amp;lt;&lt;a href="<a
href="mailto:stick at gk2.sk">mailto:stick at gk2.sk</a>"><a
href="mailto:stick at gk2.sk">stick at gk2.sk</a>&lt;/a>>
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>> &lt;a href="<a
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From juca at members.fsf.org  Sat Dec 18 11:30:52 2010
From: juca at members.fsf.org (Felipe Sanches)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 08:30:52 -0200
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser firmware
Message-ID: <AANLkTinOh9Ltd3GpCaR=fF-kcSiuG8ur49-8cBzUzdtZ@mail.gmail.com>

Looking at the windows drivers provided by the manufacturer I can find the
usbinit byte sequences inside the files Drivers/Lhloader.sys and
DriversXP/Drivers/Lqloader.sys

The match seems to be exact for the XP driver sys file. There are some minor
differences in the other file (is that a driver for what version of
Windows?)

I guess that we may have some insight by looking at these differences...
What do you think?

Another thing that I've noticed is the presence of a file called EZUSB.SYS.
By googling that I have found this interesting page:
http://www.linux-usb.org/ezusb/

It mentions 8051 microcontrollers natively capable of USB communications.
Sounds very similar to what we have in hands! And there seems to be some
routines used to upload firmware to EZUSB in the linux sourcecode. So we may
take a look at the kernel to see if the protocol implemented there matches
the patterns in our usb sniffer log.

Happy Hacking,
Felipe Sanches
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From ruza at ruza.eu  Sun Dec 19 16:44:04 2010
From: ruza at ruza.eu (Pavel Ruzicka)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 16:44:04 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] 27c3, "We come in peace", PREDOJEZDOVA ORGASMIZACE
In-Reply-To: <20101023162649.8f20d673.johny@2600.cz>
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vstupenky na 27c3 pro 11 lidi mam u sebe vytistene. Bud si o listek
reknete mne osobne nebo vam ho dam az v Beerline. Taktez EURace na
ubytovani mam u sebe ja.

Asi by bylo dobre se dohodnout na koliktou priblizne dorazime do Berlina.

ruza

On 10/23/2010 04:26 PM, JoHnY wrote:
> Este netreba zabudnut pred tym ako tam pojdeme vybrat tie zvysne eura aby sme zaplatili ubytovanie :-)
> 
> JoHnY
> 
> On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 15:30:28 +0200
> Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:
> 
>> Prave jsem to kontroloval. V presale systemu je nase rezervace ve
>> stavu payment_confirmed, tedy listky jsou zaplacene, ke stazeni ve
>> forme PDF budou dva tydny pred konferenci.
>>
> ruza


From czestmyr at gmail.com  Sun Dec 19 16:51:46 2010
From: czestmyr at gmail.com (Cestmir Houska)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 16:51:46 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] 27c3, "We come in peace", PREDOJEZDOVA ORGASMIZACE
In-Reply-To: <4D0E2844.8060108@ruza.eu>
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Zdar!

My budem pocitam vyjizdet kolem 8:00 az 9:00 z Prahy, takze v Berline jsme
neco po poledni. I kdyz, zatim jsem se ohledne casu domlouval jenom se
Stickem a mym kamosem... To mi pripomina, ze bych se mel ozvat ostatnim...

Cestmir

2010/12/19 Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu>

> vstupenky na 27c3 pro 11 lidi mam u sebe vytistene. Bud si o listek
> reknete mne osobne nebo vam ho dam az v Beerline. Taktez EURace na
> ubytovani mam u sebe ja.
>
> Asi by bylo dobre se dohodnout na koliktou priblizne dorazime do Berlina.
>
> ruza
>
> On 10/23/2010 04:26 PM, JoHnY wrote:
> > Este netreba zabudnut pred tym ako tam pojdeme vybrat tie zvysne eura aby
> sme zaplatili ubytovanie :-)
> >
> > JoHnY
> >
> > On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 15:30:28 +0200
> > Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:
> >
> >> Prave jsem to kontroloval. V presale systemu je nase rezervace ve
> >> stavu payment_confirmed, tedy listky jsou zaplacene, ke stazeni ve
> >> forme PDF budou dva tydny pred konferenci.
> >>
> > ruza
> _______________________________________________
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> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
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From johny at 2600.sk  Sun Dec 19 17:15:37 2010
From: johny at 2600.sk (JoHnY)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 17:15:37 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] 27c3, "We come in peace", PREDOJEZDOVA ORGASMIZACE
In-Reply-To: <4D0E2844.8060108@ruza.eu>
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Kto ide so mnou tak idealne nejak medzi osmou a pol deviatou u mna... Pripadne ak niekto byva po ceste tak ho mozem nalozit cestou.

On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 16:44:04 +0100
Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:

> vstupenky na 27c3 pro 11 lidi mam u sebe vytistene. Bud si o listek
> reknete mne osobne nebo vam ho dam az v Beerline. Taktez EURace na
> ubytovani mam u sebe ja.
> 
> Asi by bylo dobre se dohodnout na koliktou priblizne dorazime do
> Berlina.
> 
> ruza
> 
> On 10/23/2010 04:26 PM, JoHnY wrote:
> > Este netreba zabudnut pred tym ako tam pojdeme vybrat tie zvysne
> > eura aby sme zaplatili ubytovanie :-)
> > 
> > JoHnY
> > 
> > On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 15:30:28 +0200
> > Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:
> > 
> >> Prave jsem to kontroloval. V presale systemu je nase rezervace ve
> >> stavu payment_confirmed, tedy listky jsou zaplacene, ke stazeni
> >> ve forme PDF budou dva tydny pred konferenci.
> >>
> > ruza
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab


 
	bye, JoHnY.



From czestmyr at gmail.com  Sun Dec 19 17:20:42 2010
From: czestmyr at gmail.com (Cestmir Houska)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 17:20:42 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] 27c3, "We come in peace", PREDOJEZDOVA ORGASMIZACE
In-Reply-To: <20101219171537.c641adbe.johny@2600.sk>
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Ok, to zni, ze bysme mohli dojet celkem podobne.

2010/12/19 JoHnY <johny at 2600.sk>

> Kto ide so mnou tak idealne nejak medzi osmou a pol deviatou u mna...
> Pripadne ak niekto byva po ceste tak ho mozem nalozit cestou.
>
> On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 16:44:04 +0100
> Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:
>
> > vstupenky na 27c3 pro 11 lidi mam u sebe vytistene. Bud si o listek
> > reknete mne osobne nebo vam ho dam az v Beerline. Taktez EURace na
> > ubytovani mam u sebe ja.
> >
> > Asi by bylo dobre se dohodnout na koliktou priblizne dorazime do
> > Berlina.
> >
> > ruza
> >
> > On 10/23/2010 04:26 PM, JoHnY wrote:
> > > Este netreba zabudnut pred tym ako tam pojdeme vybrat tie zvysne
> > > eura aby sme zaplatili ubytovanie :-)
> > >
> > > JoHnY
> > >
> > > On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 15:30:28 +0200
> > > Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Prave jsem to kontroloval. V presale systemu je nase rezervace ve
> > >> stavu payment_confirmed, tedy listky jsou zaplacene, ke stazeni
> > >> ve forme PDF budou dva tydny pred konferenci.
> > >>
> > > ruza
> > _______________________________________________
> > Brmlab mailing list
> > Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> > http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>
>
>
>         bye, JoHnY.
>
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From stick at gk2.sk  Sun Dec 19 17:25:02 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 17:25:02 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] 27c3, "We come in peace", PREDOJEZDOVA ORGASMIZACE
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Ja pridem do Prahy 27eho rano 6:50 a pojdem rovno do Brmlabu, kde budem +-
od siedmej robit posledne predodletove upravy. Idealne by teda bolo aby
Cestmir prisiel autom do Brmlabu, stretneme sa so zvyskom nasej posadky,
nalozime laser a ide sa! :-)
On 19 Dec 2010 16:51, "Cestmir Houska" <czestmyr at gmail.com> wrote:
> Zdar!
>
> My budem pocitam vyjizdet kolem 8:00 az 9:00 z Prahy, takze v Berline jsme
> neco po poledni. I kdyz, zatim jsem se ohledne casu domlouval jenom se
> Stickem a mym kamosem... To mi pripomina, ze bych se mel ozvat ostatnim...
>
> Cestmir
>
> 2010/12/19 Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu>
>
>> vstupenky na 27c3 pro 11 lidi mam u sebe vytistene. Bud si o listek
>> reknete mne osobne nebo vam ho dam az v Beerline. Taktez EURace na
>> ubytovani mam u sebe ja.
>>
>> Asi by bylo dobre se dohodnout na koliktou priblizne dorazime do Berlina.
>>
>> ruza
>>
>> On 10/23/2010 04:26 PM, JoHnY wrote:
>> > Este netreba zabudnut pred tym ako tam pojdeme vybrat tie zvysne eura
aby
>> sme zaplatili ubytovanie :-)
>> >
>> > JoHnY
>> >
>> > On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 15:30:28 +0200
>> > Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Prave jsem to kontroloval. V presale systemu je nase rezervace ve
>> >> stavu payment_confirmed, tedy listky jsou zaplacene, ke stazeni ve
>> >> forme PDF budou dva tydny pred konferenci.
>> >>
>> > ruza
>> _______________________________________________
>> Brmlab mailing list
>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>
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From johny at 2600.sk  Sun Dec 19 17:26:54 2010
From: johny at 2600.sk (JoHnY)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 17:26:54 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] 27c3, "We come in peace", PREDOJEZDOVA ORGASMIZACE
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Pozeram este http://brmlab.cz/event/27c3 , mam teda zobrat tie switche co som pisal alebo bude niekto brat nieco ine?
A este ci niekto berie nejake tie predlzovacky, ja mam jeden bubon (ale len s jednou zasuvkou, plus mam nejake obycajne rozdvojky. To mozem zobrat, ale zas aby sme to zbytocne nebrali kazdy. Takze dajte vediet co mam zobrat.

JoHnY

On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 16:44:04 +0100
Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:

> vstupenky na 27c3 pro 11 lidi mam u sebe vytistene. Bud si o listek
> reknete mne osobne nebo vam ho dam az v Beerline. Taktez EURace na
> ubytovani mam u sebe ja.
> 
> Asi by bylo dobre se dohodnout na koliktou priblizne dorazime do
> Berlina.
> 
> ruza
> 
> On 10/23/2010 04:26 PM, JoHnY wrote:
> > Este netreba zabudnut pred tym ako tam pojdeme vybrat tie zvysne
> > eura aby sme zaplatili ubytovanie :-)
> > 
> > JoHnY
> > 
> > On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 15:30:28 +0200
> > Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:
> > 
> >> Prave jsem to kontroloval. V presale systemu je nase rezervace ve
> >> stavu payment_confirmed, tedy listky jsou zaplacene, ke stazeni
> >> ve forme PDF budou dva tydny pred konferenci.
> >>
> > ruza
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab


 
	bye, JoHnY.



From czestmyr at gmail.com  Sun Dec 19 17:43:25 2010
From: czestmyr at gmail.com (Cestmir Houska)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 17:43:25 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] 27c3, "We come in peace", PREDOJEZDOVA ORGASMIZACE
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Ja myslel, ze te naberu na nadrazi...

2010/12/19 Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>

> Ja pridem do Prahy 27eho rano 6:50 a pojdem rovno do Brmlabu, kde budem +-
> od siedmej robit posledne predodletove upravy. Idealne by teda bolo aby
> Cestmir prisiel autom do Brmlabu, stretneme sa so zvyskom nasej posadky,
> nalozime laser a ide sa! :-)
> On 19 Dec 2010 16:51, "Cestmir Houska" <czestmyr at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Zdar!
> >
> > My budem pocitam vyjizdet kolem 8:00 az 9:00 z Prahy, takze v Berline
> jsme
> > neco po poledni. I kdyz, zatim jsem se ohledne casu domlouval jenom se
> > Stickem a mym kamosem... To mi pripomina, ze bych se mel ozvat
> ostatnim...
> >
> > Cestmir
> >
> > 2010/12/19 Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu>
> >
> >> vstupenky na 27c3 pro 11 lidi mam u sebe vytistene. Bud si o listek
> >> reknete mne osobne nebo vam ho dam az v Beerline. Taktez EURace na
> >> ubytovani mam u sebe ja.
> >>
> >> Asi by bylo dobre se dohodnout na koliktou priblizne dorazime do
> Berlina.
> >>
> >> ruza
> >>
> >> On 10/23/2010 04:26 PM, JoHnY wrote:
> >> > Este netreba zabudnut pred tym ako tam pojdeme vybrat tie zvysne eura
> aby
> >> sme zaplatili ubytovanie :-)
> >> >
> >> > JoHnY
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 15:30:28 +0200
> >> > Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Prave jsem to kontroloval. V presale systemu je nase rezervace ve
> >> >> stavu payment_confirmed, tedy listky jsou zaplacene, ke stazeni ve
> >> >> forme PDF budou dva tydny pred konferenci.
> >> >>
> >> > ruza
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Brmlab mailing list
> >> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> >> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> >>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
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From stick at gk2.sk  Sun Dec 19 17:52:12 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 17:52:12 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] 27c3, "We come in peace", PREDOJEZDOVA ORGASMIZACE
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On 19/12/10 17:43, Cestmir Houska wrote:
> Ja myslel, ze te naberu na nadrazi...

No ked si napisal ze chces z Prahy vyrazat medzi 8ou a 9tou, tak som
myslel ze by bolo lepsie aby som siel na tu hodku do brmlabu a vyzdvihol
si ma tam. Kazdopadne niekto musi zobrat ten laser, takze aspon jedno
auto do brmlabu ist musi. Idealne by bolo aby obe auta prisli do brmlabu
(je to stejne na severe Prahy - smerom do Berlina). Tam by sme zistili,
co vsetko nam chyba (eg. ethernet kable, predlzovacky,. ...) a mohli to
pripadne prihodit do kufra, pripadne dohodnut osobne nejake dalsie
detaily ...

> 
> 2010/12/19 Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>
> 
>> Ja pridem do Prahy 27eho rano 6:50 a pojdem rovno do Brmlabu, kde budem +-
>> od siedmej robit posledne predodletove upravy. Idealne by teda bolo aby
>> Cestmir prisiel autom do Brmlabu, stretneme sa so zvyskom nasej posadky,
>> nalozime laser a ide sa! :-)
>> On 19 Dec 2010 16:51, "Cestmir Houska" <czestmyr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Zdar!
>>>
>>> My budem pocitam vyjizdet kolem 8:00 az 9:00 z Prahy, takze v Berline
>> jsme
>>> neco po poledni. I kdyz, zatim jsem se ohledne casu domlouval jenom se
>>> Stickem a mym kamosem... To mi pripomina, ze bych se mel ozvat
>> ostatnim...
>>>
>>> Cestmir
>>>
>>> 2010/12/19 Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu>
>>>
>>>> vstupenky na 27c3 pro 11 lidi mam u sebe vytistene. Bud si o listek
>>>> reknete mne osobne nebo vam ho dam az v Beerline. Taktez EURace na
>>>> ubytovani mam u sebe ja.
>>>>
>>>> Asi by bylo dobre se dohodnout na koliktou priblizne dorazime do
>> Berlina.
>>>>
>>>> ruza
>>>>
>>>> On 10/23/2010 04:26 PM, JoHnY wrote:
>>>>> Este netreba zabudnut pred tym ako tam pojdeme vybrat tie zvysne eura
>> aby
>>>> sme zaplatili ubytovanie :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> JoHnY
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 15:30:28 +0200
>>>>> Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Prave jsem to kontroloval. V presale systemu je nase rezervace ve
>>>>>> stavu payment_confirmed, tedy listky jsou zaplacene, ke stazeni ve
>>>>>> forme PDF budou dva tydny pred konferenci.
>>>>>>
>>>>> ruza
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Brmlab mailing list
>>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
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Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>


From czestmyr at gmail.com  Sun Dec 19 17:59:24 2010
From: czestmyr at gmail.com (Cestmir Houska)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 17:59:24 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] 27c3, "We come in peace", PREDOJEZDOVA ORGASMIZACE
In-Reply-To: <4D0E383C.7080102@gk2.sk>
References: <4CABC975.1070508@ruza.eu> <4CAC5BA7.4000606@ruza.eu>
	<20101011003837.a478ccc0.johny@2600.sk> <4CB2420E.3020309@ruza.eu>
	<4CBB5F0B.8050804@ruza.eu> <4CC2E374.2060207@ruza.eu>
	<20101023162649.8f20d673.johny@2600.cz> <4D0E2844.8060108@ruza.eu>
	<AANLkTi=yOPm682d38j2jBtNA98WfrHKPkDmkMB5LW=8g@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=DW_8NO3obYY9huwGJTMUWxLw3qifXyTO3+J6U@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimZk6NwKaNGRzxOBhQ5SDFQUni-q-5=Ya=-4FNY@mail.gmail.com>
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To se mi zda jako dobrej napad. Otazka je, co na to ostatni...

Cestmir

2010/12/19 Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>

> On 19/12/10 17:43, Cestmir Houska wrote:
> > Ja myslel, ze te naberu na nadrazi...
>
> No ked si napisal ze chces z Prahy vyrazat medzi 8ou a 9tou, tak som
> myslel ze by bolo lepsie aby som siel na tu hodku do brmlabu a vyzdvihol
> si ma tam. Kazdopadne niekto musi zobrat ten laser, takze aspon jedno
> auto do brmlabu ist musi. Idealne by bolo aby obe auta prisli do brmlabu
> (je to stejne na severe Prahy - smerom do Berlina). Tam by sme zistili,
> co vsetko nam chyba (eg. ethernet kable, predlzovacky,. ...) a mohli to
> pripadne prihodit do kufra, pripadne dohodnut osobne nejake dalsie
> detaily ...
>
> >
> > 2010/12/19 Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>
> >
> >> Ja pridem do Prahy 27eho rano 6:50 a pojdem rovno do Brmlabu, kde budem
> +-
> >> od siedmej robit posledne predodletove upravy. Idealne by teda bolo aby
> >> Cestmir prisiel autom do Brmlabu, stretneme sa so zvyskom nasej posadky,
> >> nalozime laser a ide sa! :-)
> >> On 19 Dec 2010 16:51, "Cestmir Houska" <czestmyr at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Zdar!
> >>>
> >>> My budem pocitam vyjizdet kolem 8:00 az 9:00 z Prahy, takze v Berline
> >> jsme
> >>> neco po poledni. I kdyz, zatim jsem se ohledne casu domlouval jenom se
> >>> Stickem a mym kamosem... To mi pripomina, ze bych se mel ozvat
> >> ostatnim...
> >>>
> >>> Cestmir
> >>>
> >>> 2010/12/19 Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu>
> >>>
> >>>> vstupenky na 27c3 pro 11 lidi mam u sebe vytistene. Bud si o listek
> >>>> reknete mne osobne nebo vam ho dam az v Beerline. Taktez EURace na
> >>>> ubytovani mam u sebe ja.
> >>>>
> >>>> Asi by bylo dobre se dohodnout na koliktou priblizne dorazime do
> >> Berlina.
> >>>>
> >>>> ruza
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/23/2010 04:26 PM, JoHnY wrote:
> >>>>> Este netreba zabudnut pred tym ako tam pojdeme vybrat tie zvysne eura
> >> aby
> >>>> sme zaplatili ubytovanie :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> JoHnY
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 15:30:28 +0200
> >>>>> Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Prave jsem to kontroloval. V presale systemu je nase rezervace ve
> >>>>>> stavu payment_confirmed, tedy listky jsou zaplacene, ke stazeni ve
> >>>>>> forme PDF budou dva tydny pred konferenci.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> ruza
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Brmlab mailing list
> >>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> >>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> >>>>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Brmlab mailing list
> >> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> >> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Brmlab mailing list
> > Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> > http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>
>
> --
> Best Regards / S pozdravom,
>
> Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>
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From stick at gk2.sk  Sun Dec 19 19:55:15 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:55:15 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Regale - update
Message-ID: <4D0E5513.7000300@gk2.sk>

Ahoj!

Ti co sleduju soup.brmlab.cz alebo IRC to uz vedia, pre ostatnych
napisem update sem:

- regale z NTM su uz v brmlabe (velka vdaka patri ID ruza, niekt0,
blackhead, axtheb a vatoz), ale v rozlozenom stave:
http://asset.soup.io/asset/1351/6929_8171_500.jpeg

- co este musime spravit?

 1) vypratat veci co su v sklade na nejake docasne miesto (asi podlaha
    v zadnej velkej miestnosti)
 2) zmontovat po obvode skladovej miestnosti 5-7 regalov, podla toho
    kolko ich tam vojde
 3) naukladat veci naspat

Poskladany regal vyzera nejak takto (prve regaly poskladali ruza,
niekt0, sargon a b00lean):

http://asset.soup.io/asset/1352/8407_f77b_500.jpeg :-)

Chapem, ze sa blizia Vianoce a tak, ale ak by nahodou niekto nevedel co
s casom a dostal chut nieco dobre spravit predtym ako odfrci domov, tak
to tu pisem ako jednu z moznosti :)

Btw, ja si davam teraz od brmlabu tyzden pokoj, takze vam prajem Stastne
a Vesele, ale po sviatkoch sa uvidime! (a pomedzito este na IRC,
samozrejme :-D)

-- 
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>


From chidori at emptytriangle.com  Sun Dec 19 20:06:06 2010
From: chidori at emptytriangle.com (Radka Haneckova)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 20:06:06 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Regale - update
In-Reply-To: <4D0E5513.7000300@gk2.sk>
References: <4D0E5513.7000300@gk2.sk>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikUqN+P76AazyeVT5V0r0DCzPhw6QU4zC8WoEdK@mail.gmail.com>

Ahoj!
pred vianocami je to s casom blbe, ale ak by stale bolo treba skladat,
plnit sklad, atd po 27., rada pridem pomoct!

chido

2010/12/19 Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>:
> Ahoj!
>
> Ti co sleduju soup.brmlab.cz alebo IRC to uz vedia, pre ostatnych
> napisem update sem:
>
> - regale z NTM su uz v brmlabe (velka vdaka patri ID ruza, niekt0,
> blackhead, axtheb a vatoz), ale v rozlozenom stave:
> http://asset.soup.io/asset/1351/6929_8171_500.jpeg
>
> - co este musime spravit?
>
> ?1) vypratat veci co su v sklade na nejake docasne miesto (asi podlaha
> ? ?v zadnej velkej miestnosti)
> ?2) zmontovat po obvode skladovej miestnosti 5-7 regalov, podla toho
> ? ?kolko ich tam vojde
> ?3) naukladat veci naspat
>
> Poskladany regal vyzera nejak takto (prve regaly poskladali ruza,
> niekt0, sargon a b00lean):
>
> http://asset.soup.io/asset/1352/8407_f77b_500.jpeg :-)
>
> Chapem, ze sa blizia Vianoce a tak, ale ak by nahodou niekto nevedel co
> s casom a dostal chut nieco dobre spravit predtym ako odfrci domov, tak
> to tu pisem ako jednu z moznosti :)
>
> Btw, ja si davam teraz od brmlabu tyzden pokoj, takze vam prajem Stastne
> a Vesele, ale po sviatkoch sa uvidime! (a pomedzito este na IRC,
> samozrejme :-D)
>
> --
> Best Regards / S pozdravom,
>
> Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>



-- 
"It is not birth, marriage, or death, but gastrulation which is truly
the most important time in your life."? ? Lewis Wolpert


From blackhead at blackhead.cz  Sun Dec 19 21:07:04 2010
From: blackhead at blackhead.cz (George Blackhead)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:07:04 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Regale - update
In-Reply-To: <4D0E5513.7000300@gk2.sk>
Message-ID: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHEEMADKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>

K te druhe fotce jen tolik, ze hosi spravne otestovali nosnost, ktera je
mimochodem asi 200kg/police. ;-)
BH


-----Original Message-----
From: brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz [mailto:brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz]On Behalf Of
Pavol Rusnak
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 7:55 PM
To: Prague hackerspace
Subject: [Brmlab] Regale - update


Ahoj!

Ti co sleduju soup.brmlab.cz alebo IRC to uz vedia, pre ostatnych
napisem update sem:

- regale z NTM su uz v brmlabe (velka vdaka patri ID ruza, niekt0,
blackhead, axtheb a vatoz), ale v rozlozenom stave:
http://asset.soup.io/asset/1351/6929_8171_500.jpeg

- co este musime spravit?

 1) vypratat veci co su v sklade na nejake docasne miesto (asi podlaha
    v zadnej velkej miestnosti)
 2) zmontovat po obvode skladovej miestnosti 5-7 regalov, podla toho
    kolko ich tam vojde
 3) naukladat veci naspat

Poskladany regal vyzera nejak takto (prve regaly poskladali ruza,
niekt0, sargon a b00lean):

http://asset.soup.io/asset/1352/8407_f77b_500.jpeg :-)

Chapem, ze sa blizia Vianoce a tak, ale ak by nahodou niekto nevedel co
s casom a dostal chut nieco dobre spravit predtym ako odfrci domov, tak
to tu pisem ako jednu z moznosti :)

Btw, ja si davam teraz od brmlabu tyzden pokoj, takze vam prajem Stastne
a Vesele, ale po sviatkoch sa uvidime! (a pomedzito este na IRC,
samozrejme :-D)

--
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>
_______________________________________________
Brmlab mailing list
Brmlab at brmlab.cz
http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab



From juca at members.fsf.org  Sun Dec 19 22:36:37 2010
From: juca at members.fsf.org (Felipe Sanches)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:36:37 -0200
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser firmware
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinOh9Ltd3GpCaR=fF-kcSiuG8ur49-8cBzUzdtZ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinOh9Ltd3GpCaR=fF-kcSiuG8ur49-8cBzUzdtZ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimE-R9EuGyv4VaLRRo+zezivcjyRcCU=6PG0P86@mail.gmail.com>

good news!

official documentation on the EZUSB (8051+USB) microcontroller in english:
www.keil.com/dd/docs/datashts/cypress/an21xx_trm.pdf

Source code of a linux driver for a device that uses the same microcontroller:
http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/usb/serial/keyspan.c
(look at the function called keyspan_fake_startup - it is loading the
firmware just like we see in our usb sniffer log)

This Keyspan device also has the behaviour of changing deviceId after
firmware loading.


I am absolutely sure that our initialization is valid 8051 code. Next
step is to study the ezusb documentation and implement some
experimental free firmware, yay!

Felipe "Juca" Sanches



On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org> wrote:
>
> Looking at the windows drivers provided by the manufacturer I can find the usbinit byte sequences inside the files Drivers/Lhloader.sys and DriversXP/Drivers/Lqloader.sys
>
> The match seems to be exact for the XP driver sys file. There are some minor differences in the other file (is that a driver for what version of Windows?)
>
> I guess that we may have some insight by looking at these differences... What do you think?
>
> Another thing that I've noticed is the presence of a file called EZUSB.SYS. By googling that I have found this interesting page:
> http://www.linux-usb.org/ezusb/
>
> It mentions 8051 microcontrollers natively capable of USB communications. Sounds very similar to what we have in hands! And there seems to be some routines used to upload firmware to EZUSB in the linux sourcecode. So we may take a look at the kernel to see if the protocol implemented there matches the patterns in our usb sniffer log.
>
> Happy Hacking,
> Felipe Sanches


From michal at tulacek.eu  Sun Dec 19 23:52:27 2010
From: michal at tulacek.eu (=?UTF-8?B?TWljaGFsIFR1bMOhxI1law==?=)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 23:52:27 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Chceme HW?
Message-ID: <AANLkTim39oa6Z2AGd7njsjQNUc-7hEF5kian0iQR0Nu-@mail.gmail.com>

Ahoj,

 kamarad mi poslal nasledujici zpravu, je v brm o toto zajem, mate pro
to nekdo vyuziti?

--
cau.
ostal mi nejaky zvysky HW. jedna sa o zakladnu dosku s 747 a procakom
amd athlon x2 3200+ a mozem vam k tomu dat aj ramku 2*512 ddr.
mal som s tym ale mensi problem, a to, ze ked tam bol windows, tak to
zamrzalo hned po boote. aj pri instalacii. nechal som na tom ale bezat
mem test asi 4 hodiny, ale ziadne chyby nenasiel.
minimalne na hranie vam to asi bude dobre.
ked chcete, tak sa mi ozvi, a dam vam to.
jo, a este vam mozem dat aj pci sietovku, mam dve zvysne. nejake rtl
tusim. a tusim len 100mb.
--

MT


From stick at gk2.sk  Mon Dec 20 00:04:46 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 00:04:46 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Chceme HW?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim39oa6Z2AGd7njsjQNUc-7hEF5kian0iQR0Nu-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim39oa6Z2AGd7njsjQNUc-7hEF5kian0iQR0Nu-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=VRSd48Fb_tCHcaaZPgKweqR=95pwpncoZuEG4@mail.gmail.com>

Ano jasne, vsetko nad 2ghz chceme. Nahradime tym tie 700tky...
On 19 Dec 2010 23:52, "Michal Tul??ek" <michal at tulacek.eu> wrote:
> Ahoj,
>
> kamarad mi poslal nasledujici zpravu, je v brm o toto zajem, mate pro
> to nekdo vyuziti?
>
> --
> cau.
> ostal mi nejaky zvysky HW. jedna sa o zakladnu dosku s 747 a procakom
> amd athlon x2 3200+ a mozem vam k tomu dat aj ramku 2*512 ddr.
> mal som s tym ale mensi problem, a to, ze ked tam bol windows, tak to
> zamrzalo hned po boote. aj pri instalacii. nechal som na tom ale bezat
> mem test asi 4 hodiny, ale ziadne chyby nenasiel.
> minimalne na hranie vam to asi bude dobre.
> ked chcete, tak sa mi ozvi, a dam vam to.
> jo, a este vam mozem dat aj pci sietovku, mam dve zvysne. nejake rtl
> tusim. a tusim len 100mb.
> --
>
> MT
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From czestmyr at gmail.com  Tue Dec 21 18:46:05 2010
From: czestmyr at gmail.com (Cestmir Houska)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 18:46:05 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking #3
In-Reply-To: <4D0A5E53.8070303@ruza.eu>
References: <AANLkTim22vR4UU_JAHVBm-0YSU13KySGzQU2_XivkQpf@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D05F2A6.5080203@ruza.eu>
	<AANLkTimK=1fepLsY7eYPSAfK-NTQYdKjMaP7MxL57miF@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik2zy2MG=i=28pKkwuSB9uLgziZ0iPeA3NQw2As@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=V9JmCECA9p85DMgdVy7hodrig1Dp7xTq0qyYq@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=YR9k4w01W0jdBE=oNxWZngXBXixXpz_f0Ykq6@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikAoDgPh6zspv79p8Fo-quwsHWd8qh=DcjOyqH4@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D0A5E53.8070303@ruza.eu>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=XvRS2Gb=K1YPegTMtgmioHP14DiTbK3kxJd7c@mail.gmail.com>

I rewrote the architecture of the whole system to be client-server based.
But I cannot commit my changes (see commandline dump below). Can someone
help me?

czestmyr at czestmyr:~/prog/python-gst/ld-commit$ svn ci -m "[...]"
Password for '(null)' GNOME keyring:
svn: Commit failed (details follow):
svn: MKACTIVITY of '/svn/!svn/act/067e82eb-5442-4ae2-91b1-386acc666ee4':
authorization failed: Could not authenticate to server: rejected Basic
challenge (https://felipesanches.googlecode.com)

Cestmir

On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:

> Ive just tried revision 261. Few things:
>
> * laser-server.py line 53 delete ":" character
>
> * instead of rewriting LD call in each script, it would be great to have
> config file like
>
> LOCAL_DEVICE=true  # or SRV_* for tcp
> SRV_HOST=localhost
> SRV_PORT=5000
>
> and "library would" make connection directly to the device or via tcp
> based on that variables.
>
> * code should automaticaly detect if the device is initializsed or not
> (based on VendorID) and make that initialisation if its needed and draw.
> For example example1.py fails on comunicating with vendorID 3333 when
> device is directly connected and card is already initialised.
>
> * security (optional)
>  - device probably shouldnt accept something like "draw a single dot for
> a long time". There is a chance somebody would stare to the lasaer
> instantly.
>  - device shouldnt shine for a long time without intervention. It should
> stop drawing if nobody is sending "new things to draw", it shorten
> lifetime of the laser device otherwise. TIMEOUT=30min could be default
> for example.
>
> ruza
>
>
> On 12/15/2010 11:03 AM, Felipe Sanches wrote:
> > I have commited new code without testing because I do not have access
> > to the device. Please test svn revision 260 and report me any bugs
> > introduced by this commit.
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org>
> wrote:
> >> can you please send me an image of the contents of the instalation CD?
> >> I mean, the Windows drivers.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org>
> wrote:
> >>> Awesome!!! Congratulations!
> >>>
> >>> Now, we have to figure out the meaning of the usbinit log. Because
> >>> simply using it without understanding it is similar to our previous
> >>> condition of using proprietary software.
> >>>
> >>> Actually, if our theory that this usbinit performs a firmware upload
> >>> is correct, then it is precisely proprietary software that we are
> >>> still relying on and that must be fixed.
> >>>
> >>> The benefits of understanding the firmware upload protocol is that we
> >>> can create our own free firmware for the device, which opens up
> >>> several interesting possibilities for improving the laser display.
> >>>
> >>> Well... I've been dealing a lot recently with this issue of devices
> >>> that require non-free firmware in order to work properly. That means I
> >>> already have some ideas of strategies that we can try:
> >>>
> >>> Strategy 1:
> >>>
> >>> Inspect the windows driver trying to find blocks of data that are
> >>> similar to the usbinit log. This can be useful to give us a clearer
> >>> idea of which bytes in the log are firmware code and which ones are
> >>> just part of the fw upload protocol.
> >>>
> >>> Strategy 2:
> >>>
> >>> try to disassembly some portions of the usbinit log using a 8051
> >>> disassembler. Try to identify something that looks like valid code.
> >>> Use that information to thing again about the structure of the
> >>> firmware upload protocol.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Lets do it?
> >>>
> >>> cheers,
> >>> Felipe Sanches
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:41 AM, niekt0 <niekt0 at hysteria.sk> wrote:
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> we spent night in brmlab and
> >>>> laser initialization from linux is finally working.
> >>>> Also we fixed some bugs. (everything is in svn)
> >>>>
> >>>> We just pust a simple video on our youtube,
> >>>> check soup.brmlab.cz.
> >>>>
> >>>> enjoy;)
> >>>>
> >>>> n.
> >>>> On 12/14/10, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org> wrote:
> >>>>> I am writting a blogpost about the laser projector project and I need
> >>>>> some videos. Is it possible for you to shoot short videos (around 30
> >>>>> seconds or a minute) of these things, please?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> * the simple vector drawing tool (run bedit.py and draw a bit)
> >>>>> * the wallburner (scerensaver) with bezier curves - it is example3.py
> >>>>>
> >>>>> thanks,
> >>>>> Felipe Sanches
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:
> >>>>>> if you need some advice regarding chaosvpn/agoralink let me know.
> ive
> >>>>>> connected brmlab to that vpn
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ruza
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 12/12/2010 07:59 PM, Ax wrote:
> >>>>>>> Laser was moved to other room and connected to server there.
> Results
> >>>>>>> are quite impressive:
> >>>>>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/axtheb/Brmlab
> >>>>>>> Hopefully we can arrange working webcam and some vpn soon...
> Felippe,
> >>>>>>> do you have access to agoralink/chaosvpn? Using that we can get you
> >>>>>>> link quickly [http://brmlab.cz/project/chaosvpn]
> >>>>>>> And, please, give me commit rights to the repo so I can put my util
> >>>>>>> lib and the rocket game there.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ax
> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>> Brmlab mailing list
> >>>>>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> >>>>>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> e-mail:  ruza at ruza.eu
> >>>>>> www:   http://ruza.eu
> >>>>>>     http://brmlab.cz
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Brmlab mailing list
> >>>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> >>>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> >>>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Brmlab mailing list
> >>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> >>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Brmlab mailing list
> > Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> > http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>
>
> --
> e-mail:  ruza at ruza.eu
> www:   http://ruza.eu
>     http://brmlab.cz
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>
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From juca at members.fsf.org  Tue Dec 21 18:59:33 2010
From: juca at members.fsf.org (Felipe Sanches)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:59:33 -0200
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking #3
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Cestmir,

I'm afraid you did exactly what I was avoiding...
I had on purpose the same code running both on the server and on the client.

2010/12/21 Cestmir Houska <czestmyr at gmail.com>:
> I rewrote the architecture of the whole system to be client-server based.
> But I cannot commit my changes (see commandline dump below). Can someone
> help me?
>
> czestmyr at czestmyr:~/prog/python-gst/ld-commit$ svn ci -m "[...]"
> Password for '(null)' GNOME keyring:
> svn: Commit failed (details follow):
> svn: MKACTIVITY of '/svn/!svn/act/067e82eb-5442-4ae2-91b1-386acc666ee4':
> authorization failed: Could not authenticate to server: rejected Basic
> challenge (https://felipesanches.googlecode.com)
>
> Cestmir
>
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:
>>
>> Ive just tried revision 261. Few things:
>>
>> * laser-server.py line 53 delete ":" character
>>
>> * instead of rewriting LD call in each script, it would be great to have
>> config file like
>>
>> LOCAL_DEVICE=true ?# or SRV_* for tcp
>> SRV_HOST=localhost
>> SRV_PORT=5000
>>
>> and "library would" make connection directly to the device or via tcp
>> based on that variables.
>>
>> * code should automaticaly detect if the device is initializsed or not
>> (based on VendorID) and make that initialisation if its needed and draw.
>> For example example1.py fails on comunicating with vendorID 3333 when
>> device is directly connected and card is already initialised.
>>
>> * security (optional)
>> ?- device probably shouldnt accept something like "draw a single dot for
>> a long time". There is a chance somebody would stare to the lasaer
>> instantly.
>> ?- device shouldnt shine for a long time without intervention. It should
>> stop drawing if nobody is sending "new things to draw", it shorten
>> lifetime of the laser device otherwise. TIMEOUT=30min could be default
>> for example.
>>
>> ruza
>>
>>
>> On 12/15/2010 11:03 AM, Felipe Sanches wrote:
>> > I have commited new code without testing because I do not have access
>> > to the device. Please test svn revision 260 and report me any bugs
>> > introduced by this commit.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >> can you please send me an image of the contents of the instalation CD?
>> >> I mean, the Windows drivers.
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> Awesome!!! Congratulations!
>> >>>
>> >>> Now, we have to figure out the meaning of the usbinit log. Because
>> >>> simply using it without understanding it is similar to our previous
>> >>> condition of using proprietary software.
>> >>>
>> >>> Actually, if our theory that this usbinit performs a firmware upload
>> >>> is correct, then it is precisely proprietary software that we are
>> >>> still relying on and that must be fixed.
>> >>>
>> >>> The benefits of understanding the firmware upload protocol is that we
>> >>> can create our own free firmware for the device, which opens up
>> >>> several interesting possibilities for improving the laser display.
>> >>>
>> >>> Well... I've been dealing a lot recently with this issue of devices
>> >>> that require non-free firmware in order to work properly. That means I
>> >>> already have some ideas of strategies that we can try:
>> >>>
>> >>> Strategy 1:
>> >>>
>> >>> Inspect the windows driver trying to find blocks of data that are
>> >>> similar to the usbinit log. This can be useful to give us a clearer
>> >>> idea of which bytes in the log are firmware code and which ones are
>> >>> just part of the fw upload protocol.
>> >>>
>> >>> Strategy 2:
>> >>>
>> >>> try to disassembly some portions of the usbinit log using a 8051
>> >>> disassembler. Try to identify something that looks like valid code.
>> >>> Use that information to thing again about the structure of the
>> >>> firmware upload protocol.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Lets do it?
>> >>>
>> >>> cheers,
>> >>> Felipe Sanches
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:41 AM, niekt0 <niekt0 at hysteria.sk> wrote:
>> >>>> Hi,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> we spent night in brmlab and
>> >>>> laser initialization from linux is finally working.
>> >>>> Also we fixed some bugs. (everything is in svn)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> We just pust a simple video on our youtube,
>> >>>> check soup.brmlab.cz.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> enjoy;)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> n.
>> >>>> On 12/14/10, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org> wrote:
>> >>>>> I am writting a blogpost about the laser projector project and I
>> >>>>> need
>> >>>>> some videos. Is it possible for you to shoot short videos (around 30
>> >>>>> seconds or a minute) of these things, please?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> * the simple vector drawing tool (run bedit.py and draw a bit)
>> >>>>> * the wallburner (scerensaver) with bezier curves - it is
>> >>>>> example3.py
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> thanks,
>> >>>>> Felipe Sanches
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:
>> >>>>>> if you need some advice regarding chaosvpn/agoralink let me know.
>> >>>>>> ive
>> >>>>>> connected brmlab to that vpn
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> ruza
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 12/12/2010 07:59 PM, Ax wrote:
>> >>>>>>> Laser was moved to other room and connected to server there.
>> >>>>>>> Results
>> >>>>>>> are quite impressive:
>> >>>>>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/axtheb/Brmlab
>> >>>>>>> Hopefully we can arrange working webcam and some vpn soon...
>> >>>>>>> Felippe,
>> >>>>>>> do you have access to agoralink/chaosvpn? Using that we can get
>> >>>>>>> you
>> >>>>>>> link quickly [http://brmlab.cz/project/chaosvpn]
>> >>>>>>> And, please, give me commit rights to the repo so I can put my
>> >>>>>>> util
>> >>>>>>> lib and the rocket game there.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Ax
>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>>>> Brmlab mailing list
>> >>>>>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> >>>>>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> e-mail: ?ruza at ruza.eu
>> >>>>>> www: ? http://ruza.eu
>> >>>>>> ? ? http://brmlab.cz
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>> Brmlab mailing list
>> >>>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> >>>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> Brmlab mailing list
>> >>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> >>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Brmlab mailing list
>> > Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> > http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>
>>
>> --
>> e-mail: ?ruza at ruza.eu
>> www: ? http://ruza.eu
>> ? ? http://brmlab.cz
>> _______________________________________________
>> Brmlab mailing list
>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>
>


From juca at members.fsf.org  Tue Dec 21 19:00:33 2010
From: juca at members.fsf.org (Felipe Sanches)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:00:33 -0200
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking #3
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=XvRS2Gb=K1YPegTMtgmioHP14DiTbK3kxJd7c@mail.gmail.com>
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it seems to be an issue with your keyring...

2010/12/21 Cestmir Houska <czestmyr at gmail.com>:
> I rewrote the architecture of the whole system to be client-server based.
> But I cannot commit my changes (see commandline dump below). Can someone
> help me?
>
> czestmyr at czestmyr:~/prog/python-gst/ld-commit$ svn ci -m "[...]"
> Password for '(null)' GNOME keyring:
> svn: Commit failed (details follow):
> svn: MKACTIVITY of '/svn/!svn/act/067e82eb-5442-4ae2-91b1-386acc666ee4':
> authorization failed: Could not authenticate to server: rejected Basic
> challenge (https://felipesanches.googlecode.com)
>
> Cestmir
>
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:
>>
>> Ive just tried revision 261. Few things:
>>
>> * laser-server.py line 53 delete ":" character
>>
>> * instead of rewriting LD call in each script, it would be great to have
>> config file like
>>
>> LOCAL_DEVICE=true ?# or SRV_* for tcp
>> SRV_HOST=localhost
>> SRV_PORT=5000
>>
>> and "library would" make connection directly to the device or via tcp
>> based on that variables.
>>
>> * code should automaticaly detect if the device is initializsed or not
>> (based on VendorID) and make that initialisation if its needed and draw.
>> For example example1.py fails on comunicating with vendorID 3333 when
>> device is directly connected and card is already initialised.
>>
>> * security (optional)
>> ?- device probably shouldnt accept something like "draw a single dot for
>> a long time". There is a chance somebody would stare to the lasaer
>> instantly.
>> ?- device shouldnt shine for a long time without intervention. It should
>> stop drawing if nobody is sending "new things to draw", it shorten
>> lifetime of the laser device otherwise. TIMEOUT=30min could be default
>> for example.
>>
>> ruza
>>
>>
>> On 12/15/2010 11:03 AM, Felipe Sanches wrote:
>> > I have commited new code without testing because I do not have access
>> > to the device. Please test svn revision 260 and report me any bugs
>> > introduced by this commit.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >> can you please send me an image of the contents of the instalation CD?
>> >> I mean, the Windows drivers.
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> Awesome!!! Congratulations!
>> >>>
>> >>> Now, we have to figure out the meaning of the usbinit log. Because
>> >>> simply using it without understanding it is similar to our previous
>> >>> condition of using proprietary software.
>> >>>
>> >>> Actually, if our theory that this usbinit performs a firmware upload
>> >>> is correct, then it is precisely proprietary software that we are
>> >>> still relying on and that must be fixed.
>> >>>
>> >>> The benefits of understanding the firmware upload protocol is that we
>> >>> can create our own free firmware for the device, which opens up
>> >>> several interesting possibilities for improving the laser display.
>> >>>
>> >>> Well... I've been dealing a lot recently with this issue of devices
>> >>> that require non-free firmware in order to work properly. That means I
>> >>> already have some ideas of strategies that we can try:
>> >>>
>> >>> Strategy 1:
>> >>>
>> >>> Inspect the windows driver trying to find blocks of data that are
>> >>> similar to the usbinit log. This can be useful to give us a clearer
>> >>> idea of which bytes in the log are firmware code and which ones are
>> >>> just part of the fw upload protocol.
>> >>>
>> >>> Strategy 2:
>> >>>
>> >>> try to disassembly some portions of the usbinit log using a 8051
>> >>> disassembler. Try to identify something that looks like valid code.
>> >>> Use that information to thing again about the structure of the
>> >>> firmware upload protocol.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Lets do it?
>> >>>
>> >>> cheers,
>> >>> Felipe Sanches
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:41 AM, niekt0 <niekt0 at hysteria.sk> wrote:
>> >>>> Hi,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> we spent night in brmlab and
>> >>>> laser initialization from linux is finally working.
>> >>>> Also we fixed some bugs. (everything is in svn)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> We just pust a simple video on our youtube,
>> >>>> check soup.brmlab.cz.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> enjoy;)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> n.
>> >>>> On 12/14/10, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org> wrote:
>> >>>>> I am writting a blogpost about the laser projector project and I
>> >>>>> need
>> >>>>> some videos. Is it possible for you to shoot short videos (around 30
>> >>>>> seconds or a minute) of these things, please?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> * the simple vector drawing tool (run bedit.py and draw a bit)
>> >>>>> * the wallburner (scerensaver) with bezier curves - it is
>> >>>>> example3.py
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> thanks,
>> >>>>> Felipe Sanches
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:
>> >>>>>> if you need some advice regarding chaosvpn/agoralink let me know.
>> >>>>>> ive
>> >>>>>> connected brmlab to that vpn
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> ruza
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 12/12/2010 07:59 PM, Ax wrote:
>> >>>>>>> Laser was moved to other room and connected to server there.
>> >>>>>>> Results
>> >>>>>>> are quite impressive:
>> >>>>>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/axtheb/Brmlab
>> >>>>>>> Hopefully we can arrange working webcam and some vpn soon...
>> >>>>>>> Felippe,
>> >>>>>>> do you have access to agoralink/chaosvpn? Using that we can get
>> >>>>>>> you
>> >>>>>>> link quickly [http://brmlab.cz/project/chaosvpn]
>> >>>>>>> And, please, give me commit rights to the repo so I can put my
>> >>>>>>> util
>> >>>>>>> lib and the rocket game there.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Ax
>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>>>> Brmlab mailing list
>> >>>>>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> >>>>>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> e-mail: ?ruza at ruza.eu
>> >>>>>> www: ? http://ruza.eu
>> >>>>>> ? ? http://brmlab.cz
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>> Brmlab mailing list
>> >>>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> >>>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> Brmlab mailing list
>> >>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> >>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Brmlab mailing list
>> > Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> > http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>
>>
>> --
>> e-mail: ?ruza at ruza.eu
>> www: ? http://ruza.eu
>> ? ? http://brmlab.cz
>> _______________________________________________
>> Brmlab mailing list
>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>
>


From czestmyr at gmail.com  Tue Dec 21 19:01:43 2010
From: czestmyr at gmail.com (Cestmir Houska)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:01:43 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking #3
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Ah, sorry then :-) But why were you avoiding it? I don't see the problem
with this approach...

Plus, this way, we can have multiple devices connected to the server, which
means that you can draw onto a simulator AND the real device simultaneously.
(BTW, I also implemented the simulator ;-) )

Cestmir

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org>wrote:

> Cestmir,
>
> I'm afraid you did exactly what I was avoiding...
> I had on purpose the same code running both on the server and on the
> client.
>
> 2010/12/21 Cestmir Houska <czestmyr at gmail.com>:
> > I rewrote the architecture of the whole system to be client-server based.
> > But I cannot commit my changes (see commandline dump below). Can someone
> > help me?
> >
> > czestmyr at czestmyr:~/prog/python-gst/ld-commit$ svn ci -m "[...]"
> > Password for '(null)' GNOME keyring:
> > svn: Commit failed (details follow):
> > svn: MKACTIVITY of '/svn/!svn/act/067e82eb-5442-4ae2-91b1-386acc666ee4':
> > authorization failed: Could not authenticate to server: rejected Basic
> > challenge (https://felipesanches.googlecode.com)
> >
> > Cestmir
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:
> >>
> >> Ive just tried revision 261. Few things:
> >>
> >> * laser-server.py line 53 delete ":" character
> >>
> >> * instead of rewriting LD call in each script, it would be great to have
> >> config file like
> >>
> >> LOCAL_DEVICE=true  # or SRV_* for tcp
> >> SRV_HOST=localhost
> >> SRV_PORT=5000
> >>
> >> and "library would" make connection directly to the device or via tcp
> >> based on that variables.
> >>
> >> * code should automaticaly detect if the device is initializsed or not
> >> (based on VendorID) and make that initialisation if its needed and draw.
> >> For example example1.py fails on comunicating with vendorID 3333 when
> >> device is directly connected and card is already initialised.
> >>
> >> * security (optional)
> >>  - device probably shouldnt accept something like "draw a single dot for
> >> a long time". There is a chance somebody would stare to the lasaer
> >> instantly.
> >>  - device shouldnt shine for a long time without intervention. It should
> >> stop drawing if nobody is sending "new things to draw", it shorten
> >> lifetime of the laser device otherwise. TIMEOUT=30min could be default
> >> for example.
> >>
> >> ruza
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/15/2010 11:03 AM, Felipe Sanches wrote:
> >> > I have commited new code without testing because I do not have access
> >> > to the device. Please test svn revision 260 and report me any bugs
> >> > introduced by this commit.
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org
> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> can you please send me an image of the contents of the instalation
> CD?
> >> >> I mean, the Windows drivers.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Felipe Sanches <
> juca at members.fsf.org>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>> Awesome!!! Congratulations!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Now, we have to figure out the meaning of the usbinit log. Because
> >> >>> simply using it without understanding it is similar to our previous
> >> >>> condition of using proprietary software.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Actually, if our theory that this usbinit performs a firmware upload
> >> >>> is correct, then it is precisely proprietary software that we are
> >> >>> still relying on and that must be fixed.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The benefits of understanding the firmware upload protocol is that
> we
> >> >>> can create our own free firmware for the device, which opens up
> >> >>> several interesting possibilities for improving the laser display.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Well... I've been dealing a lot recently with this issue of devices
> >> >>> that require non-free firmware in order to work properly. That means
> I
> >> >>> already have some ideas of strategies that we can try:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Strategy 1:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Inspect the windows driver trying to find blocks of data that are
> >> >>> similar to the usbinit log. This can be useful to give us a clearer
> >> >>> idea of which bytes in the log are firmware code and which ones are
> >> >>> just part of the fw upload protocol.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Strategy 2:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> try to disassembly some portions of the usbinit log using a 8051
> >> >>> disassembler. Try to identify something that looks like valid code.
> >> >>> Use that information to thing again about the structure of the
> >> >>> firmware upload protocol.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Lets do it?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> cheers,
> >> >>> Felipe Sanches
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:41 AM, niekt0 <niekt0 at hysteria.sk> wrote:
> >> >>>> Hi,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> we spent night in brmlab and
> >> >>>> laser initialization from linux is finally working.
> >> >>>> Also we fixed some bugs. (everything is in svn)
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> We just pust a simple video on our youtube,
> >> >>>> check soup.brmlab.cz.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> enjoy;)
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> n.
> >> >>>> On 12/14/10, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org> wrote:
> >> >>>>> I am writting a blogpost about the laser projector project and I
> >> >>>>> need
> >> >>>>> some videos. Is it possible for you to shoot short videos (around
> 30
> >> >>>>> seconds or a minute) of these things, please?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> * the simple vector drawing tool (run bedit.py and draw a bit)
> >> >>>>> * the wallburner (scerensaver) with bezier curves - it is
> >> >>>>> example3.py
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> thanks,
> >> >>>>> Felipe Sanches
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu>
> wrote:
> >> >>>>>> if you need some advice regarding chaosvpn/agoralink let me know.
> >> >>>>>> ive
> >> >>>>>> connected brmlab to that vpn
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> ruza
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On 12/12/2010 07:59 PM, Ax wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> Laser was moved to other room and connected to server there.
> >> >>>>>>> Results
> >> >>>>>>> are quite impressive:
> >> >>>>>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/axtheb/Brmlab
> >> >>>>>>> Hopefully we can arrange working webcam and some vpn soon...
> >> >>>>>>> Felippe,
> >> >>>>>>> do you have access to agoralink/chaosvpn? Using that we can get
> >> >>>>>>> you
> >> >>>>>>> link quickly [http://brmlab.cz/project/chaosvpn]
> >> >>>>>>> And, please, give me commit rights to the repo so I can put my
> >> >>>>>>> util
> >> >>>>>>> lib and the rocket game there.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Ax
> >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >> >>>>>>> Brmlab mailing list
> >> >>>>>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> >> >>>>>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> --
> >> >>>>>> e-mail:  ruza at ruza.eu
> >> >>>>>> www:   http://ruza.eu
> >> >>>>>>     http://brmlab.cz
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >> >>>>> Brmlab mailing list
> >> >>>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> >> >>>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >> >>>> Brmlab mailing list
> >> >>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> >> >>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Brmlab mailing list
> >> > Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> >> > http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> e-mail:  ruza at ruza.eu
> >> www:   http://ruza.eu
> >>     http://brmlab.cz
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Brmlab mailing list
> >> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> >> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Brmlab mailing list
> > Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> > http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
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From juca at members.fsf.org  Tue Dec 21 19:03:10 2010
From: juca at members.fsf.org (Felipe Sanches)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:03:10 -0200
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking #3
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well... let me see the code. Perhaps I'm just confused. I guess you
may have done a good job anyway.
Can you generate a patch and send it to me?

2010/12/21 Cestmir Houska <czestmyr at gmail.com>:
> Ah, sorry then :-) But why were you avoiding it? I don't see the problem
> with this approach...
>
> Plus, this way, we can have multiple devices connected to the server, which
> means that you can draw onto a simulator AND the real device simultaneously.
> (BTW, I also implemented the simulator ;-) )
>
> Cestmir
>
> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> Cestmir,
>>
>> I'm afraid you did exactly what I was avoiding...
>> I had on purpose the same code running both on the server and on the
>> client.
>>
>> 2010/12/21 Cestmir Houska <czestmyr at gmail.com>:
>> > I rewrote the architecture of the whole system to be client-server
>> > based.
>> > But I cannot commit my changes (see commandline dump below). Can someone
>> > help me?
>> >
>> > czestmyr at czestmyr:~/prog/python-gst/ld-commit$ svn ci -m "[...]"
>> > Password for '(null)' GNOME keyring:
>> > svn: Commit failed (details follow):
>> > svn: MKACTIVITY of '/svn/!svn/act/067e82eb-5442-4ae2-91b1-386acc666ee4':
>> > authorization failed: Could not authenticate to server: rejected Basic
>> > challenge (https://felipesanches.googlecode.com)
>> >
>> > Cestmir
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ive just tried revision 261. Few things:
>> >>
>> >> * laser-server.py line 53 delete ":" character
>> >>
>> >> * instead of rewriting LD call in each script, it would be great to
>> >> have
>> >> config file like
>> >>
>> >> LOCAL_DEVICE=true ?# or SRV_* for tcp
>> >> SRV_HOST=localhost
>> >> SRV_PORT=5000
>> >>
>> >> and "library would" make connection directly to the device or via tcp
>> >> based on that variables.
>> >>
>> >> * code should automaticaly detect if the device is initializsed or not
>> >> (based on VendorID) and make that initialisation if its needed and
>> >> draw.
>> >> For example example1.py fails on comunicating with vendorID 3333 when
>> >> device is directly connected and card is already initialised.
>> >>
>> >> * security (optional)
>> >> ?- device probably shouldnt accept something like "draw a single dot
>> >> for
>> >> a long time". There is a chance somebody would stare to the lasaer
>> >> instantly.
>> >> ?- device shouldnt shine for a long time without intervention. It
>> >> should
>> >> stop drawing if nobody is sending "new things to draw", it shorten
>> >> lifetime of the laser device otherwise. TIMEOUT=30min could be default
>> >> for example.
>> >>
>> >> ruza
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 12/15/2010 11:03 AM, Felipe Sanches wrote:
>> >> > I have commited new code without testing because I do not have access
>> >> > to the device. Please test svn revision 260 and report me any bugs
>> >> > introduced by this commit.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Felipe Sanches
>> >> > <juca at members.fsf.org>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> can you please send me an image of the contents of the instalation
>> >> >> CD?
>> >> >> I mean, the Windows drivers.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Felipe Sanches
>> >> >> <juca at members.fsf.org>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>> Awesome!!! Congratulations!
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Now, we have to figure out the meaning of the usbinit log. Because
>> >> >>> simply using it without understanding it is similar to our previous
>> >> >>> condition of using proprietary software.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Actually, if our theory that this usbinit performs a firmware
>> >> >>> upload
>> >> >>> is correct, then it is precisely proprietary software that we are
>> >> >>> still relying on and that must be fixed.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The benefits of understanding the firmware upload protocol is that
>> >> >>> we
>> >> >>> can create our own free firmware for the device, which opens up
>> >> >>> several interesting possibilities for improving the laser display.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Well... I've been dealing a lot recently with this issue of devices
>> >> >>> that require non-free firmware in order to work properly. That
>> >> >>> means I
>> >> >>> already have some ideas of strategies that we can try:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Strategy 1:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Inspect the windows driver trying to find blocks of data that are
>> >> >>> similar to the usbinit log. This can be useful to give us a clearer
>> >> >>> idea of which bytes in the log are firmware code and which ones are
>> >> >>> just part of the fw upload protocol.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Strategy 2:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> try to disassembly some portions of the usbinit log using a 8051
>> >> >>> disassembler. Try to identify something that looks like valid code.
>> >> >>> Use that information to thing again about the structure of the
>> >> >>> firmware upload protocol.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Lets do it?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> cheers,
>> >> >>> Felipe Sanches
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:41 AM, niekt0 <niekt0 at hysteria.sk> wrote:
>> >> >>>> Hi,
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> we spent night in brmlab and
>> >> >>>> laser initialization from linux is finally working.
>> >> >>>> Also we fixed some bugs. (everything is in svn)
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> We just pust a simple video on our youtube,
>> >> >>>> check soup.brmlab.cz.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> enjoy;)
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> n.
>> >> >>>> On 12/14/10, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org> wrote:
>> >> >>>>> I am writting a blogpost about the laser projector project and I
>> >> >>>>> need
>> >> >>>>> some videos. Is it possible for you to shoot short videos (around
>> >> >>>>> 30
>> >> >>>>> seconds or a minute) of these things, please?
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> * the simple vector drawing tool (run bedit.py and draw a bit)
>> >> >>>>> * the wallburner (scerensaver) with bezier curves - it is
>> >> >>>>> example3.py
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> thanks,
>> >> >>>>> Felipe Sanches
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu>
>> >> >>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>> if you need some advice regarding chaosvpn/agoralink let me
>> >> >>>>>> know.
>> >> >>>>>> ive
>> >> >>>>>> connected brmlab to that vpn
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> ruza
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> On 12/12/2010 07:59 PM, Ax wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>> Laser was moved to other room and connected to server there.
>> >> >>>>>>> Results
>> >> >>>>>>> are quite impressive:
>> >> >>>>>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/axtheb/Brmlab
>> >> >>>>>>> Hopefully we can arrange working webcam and some vpn soon...
>> >> >>>>>>> Felippe,
>> >> >>>>>>> do you have access to agoralink/chaosvpn? Using that we can get
>> >> >>>>>>> you
>> >> >>>>>>> link quickly [http://brmlab.cz/project/chaosvpn]
>> >> >>>>>>> And, please, give me commit rights to the repo so I can put my
>> >> >>>>>>> util
>> >> >>>>>>> lib and the rocket game there.
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Ax
>> >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >> >>>>>>> Brmlab mailing list
>> >> >>>>>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> >> >>>>>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> --
>> >> >>>>>> e-mail: ?ruza at ruza.eu
>> >> >>>>>> www: ? http://ruza.eu
>> >> >>>>>> ? ? http://brmlab.cz
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >> >>>>> Brmlab mailing list
>> >> >>>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> >> >>>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >> >>>> Brmlab mailing list
>> >> >>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> >> >>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> > Brmlab mailing list
>> >> > Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> >> > http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> e-mail: ?ruza at ruza.eu
>> >> www: ? http://ruza.eu
>> >> ? ? http://brmlab.cz
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Brmlab mailing list
>> >> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> >> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Brmlab mailing list
>> > Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> > http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>> >
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Brmlab mailing list
>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>
>
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>
>


From czestmyr at gmail.com  Tue Dec 21 19:10:31 2010
From: czestmyr at gmail.com (Cestmir Houska)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:10:31 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking #3
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Here's a diff. I split the original LaserDisplay file into LaserDisplay,
LaserClient and LaserDevice. That way, all the code is neatly organized.
Also, when I added the LasersimDevice, I realized that now we would have to
include the same code twice, but three times! That's probably the main
reason for the reorganization.

Now, you just start the laser-server, which creates a LaserDisplay (that can
have one or more devices attached to it). All the transformation stuff,
noise, etc. should be in the Display class and the bare drawing stuff will
be in the devices.

Also, I added a proxy mechanism that prints info into the console when a
non-existent method in the device is called, so that the server doesn't end,
but just informs you about the unavailable stuff in one of the devices (for
example the configuration cannot be set for the laser simulator).

Cestmir

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org>wrote:

> well... let me see the code. Perhaps I'm just confused. I guess you
> may have done a good job anyway.
> Can you generate a patch and send it to me?
>
> 2010/12/21 Cestmir Houska <czestmyr at gmail.com>:
> > Ah, sorry then :-) But why were you avoiding it? I don't see the problem
> > with this approach...
> >
> > Plus, this way, we can have multiple devices connected to the server,
> which
> > means that you can draw onto a simulator AND the real device
> simultaneously.
> > (BTW, I also implemented the simulator ;-) )
> >
> > Cestmir
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Cestmir,
> >>
> >> I'm afraid you did exactly what I was avoiding...
> >> I had on purpose the same code running both on the server and on the
> >> client.
> >>
> >> 2010/12/21 Cestmir Houska <czestmyr at gmail.com>:
> >> > I rewrote the architecture of the whole system to be client-server
> >> > based.
> >> > But I cannot commit my changes (see commandline dump below). Can
> someone
> >> > help me?
> >> >
> >> > czestmyr at czestmyr:~/prog/python-gst/ld-commit$ svn ci -m "[...]"
> >> > Password for '(null)' GNOME keyring:
> >> > svn: Commit failed (details follow):
> >> > svn: MKACTIVITY of
> '/svn/!svn/act/067e82eb-5442-4ae2-91b1-386acc666ee4':
> >> > authorization failed: Could not authenticate to server: rejected Basic
> >> > challenge (https://felipesanches.googlecode.com)
> >> >
> >> > Cestmir
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Ive just tried revision 261. Few things:
> >> >>
> >> >> * laser-server.py line 53 delete ":" character
> >> >>
> >> >> * instead of rewriting LD call in each script, it would be great to
> >> >> have
> >> >> config file like
> >> >>
> >> >> LOCAL_DEVICE=true  # or SRV_* for tcp
> >> >> SRV_HOST=localhost
> >> >> SRV_PORT=5000
> >> >>
> >> >> and "library would" make connection directly to the device or via tcp
> >> >> based on that variables.
> >> >>
> >> >> * code should automaticaly detect if the device is initializsed or
> not
> >> >> (based on VendorID) and make that initialisation if its needed and
> >> >> draw.
> >> >> For example example1.py fails on comunicating with vendorID 3333 when
> >> >> device is directly connected and card is already initialised.
> >> >>
> >> >> * security (optional)
> >> >>  - device probably shouldnt accept something like "draw a single dot
> >> >> for
> >> >> a long time". There is a chance somebody would stare to the lasaer
> >> >> instantly.
> >> >>  - device shouldnt shine for a long time without intervention. It
> >> >> should
> >> >> stop drawing if nobody is sending "new things to draw", it shorten
> >> >> lifetime of the laser device otherwise. TIMEOUT=30min could be
> default
> >> >> for example.
> >> >>
> >> >> ruza
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 12/15/2010 11:03 AM, Felipe Sanches wrote:
> >> >> > I have commited new code without testing because I do not have
> access
> >> >> > to the device. Please test svn revision 260 and report me any bugs
> >> >> > introduced by this commit.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Felipe Sanches
> >> >> > <juca at members.fsf.org>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >> can you please send me an image of the contents of the instalation
> >> >> >> CD?
> >> >> >> I mean, the Windows drivers.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Felipe Sanches
> >> >> >> <juca at members.fsf.org>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>> Awesome!!! Congratulations!
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Now, we have to figure out the meaning of the usbinit log.
> Because
> >> >> >>> simply using it without understanding it is similar to our
> previous
> >> >> >>> condition of using proprietary software.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Actually, if our theory that this usbinit performs a firmware
> >> >> >>> upload
> >> >> >>> is correct, then it is precisely proprietary software that we are
> >> >> >>> still relying on and that must be fixed.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> The benefits of understanding the firmware upload protocol is
> that
> >> >> >>> we
> >> >> >>> can create our own free firmware for the device, which opens up
> >> >> >>> several interesting possibilities for improving the laser
> display.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Well... I've been dealing a lot recently with this issue of
> devices
> >> >> >>> that require non-free firmware in order to work properly. That
> >> >> >>> means I
> >> >> >>> already have some ideas of strategies that we can try:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Strategy 1:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Inspect the windows driver trying to find blocks of data that are
> >> >> >>> similar to the usbinit log. This can be useful to give us a
> clearer
> >> >> >>> idea of which bytes in the log are firmware code and which ones
> are
> >> >> >>> just part of the fw upload protocol.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Strategy 2:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> try to disassembly some portions of the usbinit log using a 8051
> >> >> >>> disassembler. Try to identify something that looks like valid
> code.
> >> >> >>> Use that information to thing again about the structure of the
> >> >> >>> firmware upload protocol.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Lets do it?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> cheers,
> >> >> >>> Felipe Sanches
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:41 AM, niekt0 <niekt0 at hysteria.sk>
> wrote:
> >> >> >>>> Hi,
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> we spent night in brmlab and
> >> >> >>>> laser initialization from linux is finally working.
> >> >> >>>> Also we fixed some bugs. (everything is in svn)
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> We just pust a simple video on our youtube,
> >> >> >>>> check soup.brmlab.cz.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> enjoy;)
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> n.
> >> >> >>>> On 12/14/10, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>> I am writting a blogpost about the laser projector project and
> I
> >> >> >>>>> need
> >> >> >>>>> some videos. Is it possible for you to shoot short videos
> (around
> >> >> >>>>> 30
> >> >> >>>>> seconds or a minute) of these things, please?
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> * the simple vector drawing tool (run bedit.py and draw a bit)
> >> >> >>>>> * the wallburner (scerensaver) with bezier curves - it is
> >> >> >>>>> example3.py
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> thanks,
> >> >> >>>>> Felipe Sanches
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu>
> >> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>> if you need some advice regarding chaosvpn/agoralink let me
> >> >> >>>>>> know.
> >> >> >>>>>> ive
> >> >> >>>>>> connected brmlab to that vpn
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> ruza
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> On 12/12/2010 07:59 PM, Ax wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>> Laser was moved to other room and connected to server there.
> >> >> >>>>>>> Results
> >> >> >>>>>>> are quite impressive:
> >> >> >>>>>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/axtheb/Brmlab
> >> >> >>>>>>> Hopefully we can arrange working webcam and some vpn soon...
> >> >> >>>>>>> Felippe,
> >> >> >>>>>>> do you have access to agoralink/chaosvpn? Using that we can
> get
> >> >> >>>>>>> you
> >> >> >>>>>>> link quickly [http://brmlab.cz/project/chaosvpn]
> >> >> >>>>>>> And, please, give me commit rights to the repo so I can put
> my
> >> >> >>>>>>> util
> >> >> >>>>>>> lib and the rocket game there.
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> Ax
> >> >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >> >> >>>>>>> Brmlab mailing list
> >> >> >>>>>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> >> >> >>>>>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> --
> >> >> >>>>>> e-mail:  ruza at ruza.eu
> >> >> >>>>>> www:   http://ruza.eu
> >> >> >>>>>>     http://brmlab.cz
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >> >> >>>>> Brmlab mailing list
> >> >> >>>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> >> >> >>>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >> >> >>>> Brmlab mailing list
> >> >> >>>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> >> >> >>>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> >> > Brmlab mailing list
> >> >> > Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> >> >> > http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> e-mail:  ruza at ruza.eu
> >> >> www:   http://ruza.eu
> >> >>     http://brmlab.cz
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> Brmlab mailing list
> >> >> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> >> >> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Brmlab mailing list
> >> > Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> >> > http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> >> >
> >> >
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Brmlab mailing list
> >> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> >> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Brmlab mailing list
> > Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> > http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>
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From stick at gk2.sk  Tue Dec 21 19:14:14 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:14:14 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking #3
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikUWj5+9PzFjUi2jQfGZZTjbZYhBXm29otKx2Vv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim22vR4UU_JAHVBm-0YSU13KySGzQU2_XivkQpf@mail.gmail.com>	<4D05F2A6.5080203@ruza.eu>	<AANLkTimK=1fepLsY7eYPSAfK-NTQYdKjMaP7MxL57miF@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTik2zy2MG=i=28pKkwuSB9uLgziZ0iPeA3NQw2As@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=V9JmCECA9p85DMgdVy7hodrig1Dp7xTq0qyYq@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=YR9k4w01W0jdBE=oNxWZngXBXixXpz_f0Ykq6@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTikAoDgPh6zspv79p8Fo-quwsHWd8qh=DcjOyqH4@mail.gmail.com>	<4D0A5E53.8070303@ruza.eu>	<AANLkTi=XvRS2Gb=K1YPegTMtgmioHP14DiTbK3kxJd7c@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTin3h0TKueoV_9NjK8E87O6gtWpTSVCE6aaJ1P=O@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTiknHFVP95e9Oi+nw2oDKCBiAH2RgqEqt1NTskOJ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikUWj5+9PzFjUi2jQfGZZTjbZYhBXm29otKx2Vv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D10EE76.1090806@gk2.sk>

On 21/12/10 19:03, Felipe Sanches wrote:
> well... let me see the code. Perhaps I'm just confused. I guess you
> may have done a good job anyway.
> Can you generate a patch and send it to me?

I am also interested in seeing the code. Especially the simulator part. 
I also wanted to do a rewrite - introduce one abstract class and its 3 
implementations - Local, Remote and Simulator. Also always using 
client-server architecture is not very good, because there is visible 
difference in remote/local when drawing more complex scenes.

-- 
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>


From czestmyr at gmail.com  Tue Dec 21 19:13:09 2010
From: czestmyr at gmail.com (Cestmir Houska)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:13:09 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking #3
In-Reply-To: <4D10EE76.1090806@gk2.sk>
References: <AANLkTim22vR4UU_JAHVBm-0YSU13KySGzQU2_XivkQpf@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D05F2A6.5080203@ruza.eu>
	<AANLkTimK=1fepLsY7eYPSAfK-NTQYdKjMaP7MxL57miF@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik2zy2MG=i=28pKkwuSB9uLgziZ0iPeA3NQw2As@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=V9JmCECA9p85DMgdVy7hodrig1Dp7xTq0qyYq@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=YR9k4w01W0jdBE=oNxWZngXBXixXpz_f0Ykq6@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikAoDgPh6zspv79p8Fo-quwsHWd8qh=DcjOyqH4@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D0A5E53.8070303@ruza.eu>
	<AANLkTi=XvRS2Gb=K1YPegTMtgmioHP14DiTbK3kxJd7c@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin3h0TKueoV_9NjK8E87O6gtWpTSVCE6aaJ1P=O@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTiknHFVP95e9Oi+nw2oDKCBiAH2RgqEqt1NTskOJ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikUWj5+9PzFjUi2jQfGZZTjbZYhBXm29otKx2Vv@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D10EE76.1090806@gk2.sk>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimyUetUPu4KdDaGxYrChgSd4ogDt8PuJk=K+t_h@mail.gmail.com>

Well, you can always use the LaserDisplay directly (without the server).

Cestmir

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk> wrote:

> On 21/12/10 19:03, Felipe Sanches wrote:
>
>> well... let me see the code. Perhaps I'm just confused. I guess you
>> may have done a good job anyway.
>> Can you generate a patch and send it to me?
>>
>
> I am also interested in seeing the code. Especially the simulator part. I
> also wanted to do a rewrite - introduce one abstract class and its 3
> implementations - Local, Remote and Simulator. Also always using
> client-server architecture is not very good, because there is visible
> difference in remote/local when drawing more complex scenes.
>
> --
> Best Regards / S pozdravom,
>
> Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>
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From stick at gk2.sk  Tue Dec 21 19:31:07 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:31:07 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking #3
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimyUetUPu4KdDaGxYrChgSd4ogDt8PuJk=K+t_h@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim22vR4UU_JAHVBm-0YSU13KySGzQU2_XivkQpf@mail.gmail.com>	<4D05F2A6.5080203@ruza.eu>	<AANLkTimK=1fepLsY7eYPSAfK-NTQYdKjMaP7MxL57miF@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTik2zy2MG=i=28pKkwuSB9uLgziZ0iPeA3NQw2As@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=V9JmCECA9p85DMgdVy7hodrig1Dp7xTq0qyYq@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=YR9k4w01W0jdBE=oNxWZngXBXixXpz_f0Ykq6@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTikAoDgPh6zspv79p8Fo-quwsHWd8qh=DcjOyqH4@mail.gmail.com>	<4D0A5E53.8070303@ruza.eu>	<AANLkTi=XvRS2Gb=K1YPegTMtgmioHP14DiTbK3kxJd7c@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTin3h0TKueoV_9NjK8E87O6gtWpTSVCE6aaJ1P=O@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTiknHFVP95e9Oi+nw2oDKCBiAH2RgqEqt1NTskOJ@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTikUWj5+9PzFjUi2jQfGZZTjbZYhBXm29otKx2Vv@mail.gmail.com>	<4D10EE76.1090806@gk2.sk>
	<AANLkTimyUetUPu4KdDaGxYrChgSd4ogDt8PuJk=K+t_h@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D10F26B.8040404@gk2.sk>

On 21/12/10 19:13, Cestmir Houska wrote:
> Well, you can always use the LaserDisplay directly (without the server).

Cool, that's what I was hoping for!

Btw, if you are both proficient with git we can move the source code to 
gitorious.org/brmlab and we can use separate branches for development 
(SVN sucks big time when it comes to branches). If you are interested, 
just let me now, i will import the project and give you the access 
rights ...

-- 
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>


From juca at members.fsf.org  Wed Dec 22 00:38:27 2010
From: juca at members.fsf.org (Felipe Sanches)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:38:27 -0200
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking #3
In-Reply-To: <4D10F26B.8040404@gk2.sk>
References: <AANLkTim22vR4UU_JAHVBm-0YSU13KySGzQU2_XivkQpf@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D05F2A6.5080203@ruza.eu>
	<AANLkTimK=1fepLsY7eYPSAfK-NTQYdKjMaP7MxL57miF@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik2zy2MG=i=28pKkwuSB9uLgziZ0iPeA3NQw2As@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=V9JmCECA9p85DMgdVy7hodrig1Dp7xTq0qyYq@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=YR9k4w01W0jdBE=oNxWZngXBXixXpz_f0Ykq6@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikAoDgPh6zspv79p8Fo-quwsHWd8qh=DcjOyqH4@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D0A5E53.8070303@ruza.eu>
	<AANLkTi=XvRS2Gb=K1YPegTMtgmioHP14DiTbK3kxJd7c@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin3h0TKueoV_9NjK8E87O6gtWpTSVCE6aaJ1P=O@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTiknHFVP95e9Oi+nw2oDKCBiAH2RgqEqt1NTskOJ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikUWj5+9PzFjUi2jQfGZZTjbZYhBXm29otKx2Vv@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D10EE76.1090806@gk2.sk>
	<AANLkTimyUetUPu4KdDaGxYrChgSd4ogDt8PuJk=K+t_h@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D10F26B.8040404@gk2.sk>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikcdBLDJqGGzODryatO0A0RXezHGo2YEgBO7to5@mail.gmail.com>

I'm ok with that!

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk> wrote:
> On 21/12/10 19:13, Cestmir Houska wrote:
>>
>> Well, you can always use the LaserDisplay directly (without the server).
>
> Cool, that's what I was hoping for!
>
> Btw, if you are both proficient with git we can move the source code to
> gitorious.org/brmlab and we can use separate branches for development (SVN
> sucks big time when it comes to branches). If you are interested, just let
> me now, i will import the project and give you the access rights ...
>
> --
> Best Regards / S pozdravom,
>
> Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>


From ruza at ruza.eu  Wed Dec 22 01:12:01 2010
From: ruza at ruza.eu (Pavel Ruzicka)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 01:12:01 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] 27c3 peace mission, org info
Message-ID: <4D114251.6000707@ruza.eu>

Pokud to teda nekdo organizujete ...

Register your IP addresses! There will be no VPN this year, instead the 
external streaming relays will offer guaranteed bandwidth for streaming 
to registered IP addresses.

Therefore, please send your static IP to: 27c3-peacemissions at cccv dot de

http://events.ccc.de/2010/12/15/have-you-set-up-your-peace-mission-yet/#IPs

-- 
e-mail:  ruza at ruza.eu
www:   http://ruza.eu
      http://brmlab.cz


From pasky at ucw.cz  Wed Dec 22 03:44:11 2010
From: pasky at ucw.cz (Petr Baudis)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 03:44:11 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking #3
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiny+M5h=vDdxgPzjnL8kmhe+QBM-NEnzLt=Vdg0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHKELFDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
	<4D09221F.6030106@ruza.eu>
	<AANLkTiny+M5h=vDdxgPzjnL8kmhe+QBM-NEnzLt=Vdg0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101222024411.GZ9230@machine.or.cz>

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 09:23:23PM -0200, Felipe Sanches wrote:
> bad thing is that the pdf was not really corrupter or incompatible
> with evince. The issue was that the pdf was written in japanese, for
> which I did nont have fonts installed.

Install poppler-data if on Debian/Ubuntu.

> I coudnt find any english
> version of the datasheets. The only useful information I gathered from
> looking at the pictures in the datasheet is that it contains a 8051
> MCU and seems to have SPI and RS232 interfaces.

poppler-0.15.3 + bug 27290 fix + pdftohtml -c -zoom + google translate
can do a pretty neat job:

	http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpasky.or.cz%2F~pasky%2Fcp%2Fjunk%2Fstc%2Fstc89c52rc.html


Sure, it's not perfect, but hope it helps a bit anyway. (With the whole
datasheet on single page, Google refuses to translate more than just the
first few pages.)


PS: BTW, if someone is interested, offering such "brm-show me chinese
datasheet" web service would be a pretty neat hack - dealing with them
is pain for a lot of people now I guess. If someone is willing to do
the coding, I can explain exactly how to do the conversion and have
a server to run it on.

				Petr "Pasky" Baudis


From juca at members.fsf.org  Wed Dec 22 03:51:18 2010
From: juca at members.fsf.org (Felipe Sanches)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 00:51:18 -0200
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking #3
In-Reply-To: <20101222024411.GZ9230@machine.or.cz>
References: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHKELFDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
	<4D09221F.6030106@ruza.eu>
	<AANLkTiny+M5h=vDdxgPzjnL8kmhe+QBM-NEnzLt=Vdg0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101222024411.GZ9230@machine.or.cz>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikF+-QsUwXO+6Tz2asVnmapMf_mcZK5iOwgL2Ci@mail.gmail.com>

I have already found the english version of the datasheet!

http://www.keil.com/dd/docs/datashts/cypress/an21xx_trm.pdf


From juca at members.fsf.org  Wed Dec 22 03:52:01 2010
From: juca at members.fsf.org (Felipe Sanches)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 00:52:01 -0200
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking #3
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikF+-QsUwXO+6Tz2asVnmapMf_mcZK5iOwgL2Ci@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHKELFDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
	<4D09221F.6030106@ruza.eu>
	<AANLkTiny+M5h=vDdxgPzjnL8kmhe+QBM-NEnzLt=Vdg0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101222024411.GZ9230@machine.or.cz>
	<AANLkTikF+-QsUwXO+6Tz2asVnmapMf_mcZK5iOwgL2Ci@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=K7q4Bu_perNHvgoHtT=mjY+j6BPmE41FC0Hqq@mail.gmail.com>

actually, you should check out my latest blogpost:
http://jucablues.blogspot.com/2010/12/coordinating-efforts-towards-free.html

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Felipe Sanches <juca at members.fsf.org> wrote:
> I have already found the english version of the datasheet!
>
> http://www.keil.com/dd/docs/datashts/cypress/an21xx_trm.pdf
>


From stybla at turnovfree.net  Wed Dec 22 08:34:05 2010
From: stybla at turnovfree.net (Zdenek Styblik)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:34:05 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] vysavac za odvoz
Message-ID: <4D11A9ED.7050700@turnovfree.net>

Ahoj,

dostal jsem nabidku vysavace za odvoz. Neni to zadny zazrak, ale treba
jeste poslouzi.
K vyzvednuti na P9 Vysocany v prubehu pristiho tydne. Stejny barak co
byl ulozeny nabytek.
Pokud je zajem, dejte prosim vedet. Pokud neni, nabidne ho nekomu jinemu.

Z.

-- 
Zdenek Styblik
Net/Linux admin
OS TurnovFree.net
email: stybla at turnovfree.net
jabber: stybla at jabber.turnovfree.net


From pasky at ucw.cz  Wed Dec 22 12:51:52 2010
From: pasky at ucw.cz (Petr Baudis)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:51:52 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] 27c3 Peace Mission - sledovani prednasek v brmlabu
In-Reply-To: <4D114251.6000707@ruza.eu>
References: <4D114251.6000707@ruza.eu>
Message-ID: <20101222115152.GB9230@machine.or.cz>

  Ahoj!


  Pro ty kdo? se neu?astn? konference 27C3 osobn? je tu mo?nost sej?t se
v prostor?ch brmlabu ke spole?n?mu sledov?n? stream? z p?edn??ek,
p??padn? k dal??m aktivit?m s konferenc? spojen?ch (komunikace s
??astn?ky konference via irc/silc, jist? v?s napadnou dal?? v?ci). Toto
remote roz???en? 27c3 se naz?v? Peace mission.

  Alespo? ??st trv?n? konference bude v brmlabu Pasky, kter? tak? v
ned?li ?i pond?l? dopoledne nasetupuje stream relay (IP adresa
zarezervov?na).  Rozhodn? tam v?ak nebude st?le (nap?. jeden cel? den
nebude, sv? pl?ny up?esn? v ned?li/pond?l?). Chcete-li se tedy p?ij?t
d?vat, napi?t? se na wiki:

	http://brmlab.cz/event/27c3_peace_mission

  (Nemusite samozrejme pozornost venovat jen prednaskam, ja asi budu
vetsinu casu jednim uchem poslouchat a druhym neco hackovat / ucit se.)


On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 01:12:01AM +0100, Pavel Ruzicka wrote:
> Register your IP addresses! There will be no VPN this year, instead
> the external streaming relays will offer guaranteed bandwidth for
> streaming to registered IP addresses.

  Uz je zaregistrovana, nasetupuju a poslu blizsi info behem nedele /
pondeli dopoledne.

  Happy hacking!

-- 
				Petr "Pasky" Baudis
Computer science education cannot make an expert programmer any more
than studying brushes and pigment can make an expert painter. --esr


From blackhead at blackhead.cz  Wed Dec 22 22:01:03 2010
From: blackhead at blackhead.cz (George Blackhead)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 22:01:03 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking #3
In-Reply-To: <20101222024411.GZ9230@machine.or.cz>
Message-ID: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHEEMEDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>

Tak to je hodne husty... Vono to fakt prelozi...

:-)

-----Original Message-----
From: brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz [mailto:brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz]On Behalf Of
Petr Baudis
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 3:44 AM
To: Brmlab: Hackerspace Prague (main discussion)
Subject: Re: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking #3


On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 09:23:23PM -0200, Felipe Sanches wrote:
> bad thing is that the pdf was not really corrupter or incompatible
> with evince. The issue was that the pdf was written in japanese, for
> which I did nont have fonts installed.

Install poppler-data if on Debian/Ubuntu.

> I coudnt find any english
> version of the datasheets. The only useful information I gathered from
> looking at the pictures in the datasheet is that it contains a 8051
> MCU and seems to have SPI and RS232 interfaces.

poppler-0.15.3 + bug 27290 fix + pdftohtml -c -zoom + google translate
can do a pretty neat job:


http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpa
sky.or.cz%2F~pasky%2Fcp%2Fjunk%2Fstc%2Fstc89c52rc.html


Sure, it's not perfect, but hope it helps a bit anyway. (With the whole
datasheet on single page, Google refuses to translate more than just the
first few pages.)


PS: BTW, if someone is interested, offering such "brm-show me chinese
datasheet" web service would be a pretty neat hack - dealing with them
is pain for a lot of people now I guess. If someone is willing to do
the coding, I can explain exactly how to do the conversion and have
a server to run it on.

				Petr "Pasky" Baudis
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From stick at gk2.sk  Wed Dec 22 23:02:10 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 23:02:10 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] vysavac za odvoz
In-Reply-To: <4D11A9ED.7050700@turnovfree.net>
References: <4D11A9ED.7050700@turnovfree.net>
Message-ID: <4D127562.3030105@gk2.sk>

On 22/12/10 08:34, Zdenek Styblik wrote:
> Ahoj,
>
> dostal jsem nabidku vysavace za odvoz. Neni to zadny zazrak, ale treba
> jeste poslouzi.
> K vyzvednuti na P9 Vysocany v prubehu pristiho tydne. Stejny barak co
> byl ulozeny nabytek.
> Pokud je zajem, dejte prosim vedet. Pokud neni, nabidne ho nekomu jinemu.

Mozem ho vyzdvihnut najskor 31.12 niekedy cez den. Bolo by ale lepsie, 
keby siel niekto po neho skor ...

-- 
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>


From stybla at turnovfree.net  Thu Dec 23 07:22:45 2010
From: stybla at turnovfree.net (Zdenek Styblik)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 07:22:45 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] vysavac za odvoz
In-Reply-To: <4D127562.3030105@gk2.sk>
References: <4D11A9ED.7050700@turnovfree.net> <4D127562.3030105@gk2.sk>
Message-ID: <4D12EAB5.60504@turnovfree.net>

On 12/22/2010 11:02 PM, Pavol Rusnak wrote:
> On 22/12/10 08:34, Zdenek Styblik wrote:
>> Ahoj,
>>
>> dostal jsem nabidku vysavace za odvoz. Neni to zadny zazrak, ale treba
>> jeste poslouzi.
>> K vyzvednuti na P9 Vysocany v prubehu pristiho tydne. Stejny barak co
>> byl ulozeny nabytek.
>> Pokud je zajem, dejte prosim vedet. Pokud neni, nabidne ho nekomu jinemu.
> 
> Mozem ho vyzdvihnut najskor 31.12 niekedy cez den. Bolo by ale lepsie,
> keby siel niekto po neho skor ...
> 

Myslim, ze by bylo mozne nechat to na prvni tyden 2011. Zatim nejsem
schopen rict, kdy budu odjizdet z Prahy. Jestli to bude uz 30.12. nebo
31.12. po obede, nevim.
Takze asi tak :)

Z.

-- 
Zdenek Styblik
Net/Linux admin
OS TurnovFree.net
email: stybla at turnovfree.net
jabber: stybla at jabber.turnovfree.net


From stick at gk2.sk  Thu Dec 23 15:09:19 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 15:09:19 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] =?iso-8859-1?q?M=E9ri_Iksmas?=
Message-ID: <4D13580F.5060209@gk2.sk>

Ahojte!

Trochu sme sa bavili na IRC o PFkach a zrodil sa mi v hlave napad. 
Poskadlil som Inkscape a po par minutach som vyprodukoval toto:

http://brmlab.cz/_media/brmpf.png (SVGcko je v /promote sekcii).

Nie je to uplne dokonale, par zmien by si to ziadalo, ale ako je u nas 
zvykom, ze docasne veci sa stavaju trvalymi, tak s tym idem do eteru 
radsej uz teraz. Ak mate cas a chut to zmenit, tak do toho!

PS: Prajem Vam a tym vlastne aj celemu nasmu hekrspejsu, nech sa nam v 
dalsom roku dari, aspon tak ako v tomto, bolo fakt uzasne sledovat to 
nadsenie a aktivitu! A este aby ste pocas sviatkov nezabudli, ze 
existuje aj svet mimo pocitaca. Teda aspon ked som ho naposledy 
kontroloval tak tam este bol :-).

-- 
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>


From jakub.hybler at gmail.com  Thu Dec 23 18:33:44 2010
From: jakub.hybler at gmail.com (jakub hybler)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:33:44 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] =?iso-8859-1?q?M=E9ri_Iksmas?=
In-Reply-To: <4D13580F.5060209@gk2.sk>
References: <4D13580F.5060209@gk2.sk>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimX9Yu=fu=f1NaiDZ_7hKSvh9CQd+v+BRgZ65z_@mail.gmail.com>

taky sem neodolall....



2010/12/23 Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>:
> Ahojte!
>
> Trochu sme sa bavili na IRC o PFkach a zrodil sa mi v hlave napad. Poskadlil
> som Inkscape a po par minutach som vyprodukoval toto:
>
> http://brmlab.cz/_media/brmpf.png (SVGcko je v /promote sekcii).
>
> Nie je to uplne dokonale, par zmien by si to ziadalo, ale ako je u nas
> zvykom, ze docasne veci sa stavaju trvalymi, tak s tym idem do eteru radsej
> uz teraz. Ak mate cas a chut to zmenit, tak do toho!
>
> PS: Prajem Vam a tym vlastne aj celemu nasmu hekrspejsu, nech sa nam v
> dalsom roku dari, aspon tak ako v tomto, bolo fakt uzasne sledovat to
> nadsenie a aktivitu! A este aby ste pocas sviatkov nezabudli, ze existuje aj
> svet mimo pocitaca. Teda aspon ked som ho naposledy kontroloval tak tam este
> bol :-).
>
> --
> Best Regards / S pozdravom,
>
> Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>
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From klusacek at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz  Thu Dec 23 19:56:41 2010
From: klusacek at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (David Klusacek)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 19:56:41 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] PF 2011
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References: <4D13580F.5060209@gk2.sk>
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Merry Christmas and high-powered New Year......


    --- Brmlab High Voltage Group


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From fis at bofh.cz  Fri Dec 24 00:13:17 2010
From: fis at bofh.cz (Jan Sembera)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 00:13:17 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] CCC - listecek a bydleni
Message-ID: <20101223231317.GH31511@abydos.bofh.cz>

Brm!

	Jak jsem uz zminoval a nabizel na IRC, dost veci se mi zkomplikovalo a tak
s nejvetsi pravdepodobnosti nebudu schopen na CCC jet. Byla by tudiz skoda,
aby muj listek a ubytovani propadlo. Nabizel jsem to, ozval se tusim bon a
JoHnY, ale nic definitivniho. Pokud tedy mate zajem nekdo dalsi, tak se
prosim ozvete.

f.


From blackhead at blackhead.cz  Fri Dec 24 01:20:44 2010
From: blackhead at blackhead.cz (George Blackhead)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:20:44 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] =?iso-8859-1?q?M=E9ri_Iksmas?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimX9Yu=fu=f1NaiDZ_7hKSvh9CQd+v+BRgZ65z_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHIEMGDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>

Zapojils to hezky paralelne ke zdroji, tak mi za domaci ukol spocitej, jako
bude celkovej odpor, kdyz budou vsechny rezistory hodnoty 470 Ohmu... :-)


A ja taky preju vsem Br-magum a Br-mackam PF do toho novyho...
50 46 07 DB
A prijemny a krasny Vanoce, kapra bez kosti a bezednej salat.

Tesim se na dalsi uzasne projekty a dalsi vylepseni a napady v nasi
laborce...
Dekuju Vam vsem za dobrou atmosferu a podporu.
Blackhead


-----Original Message-----
From: brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz [mailto:brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz]On Behalf Of
jakub hybler
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 6:34 PM
To: Brmlab: Hackerspace Prague (main discussion)
Subject: Re: [Brmlab] M?ri Iksmas


taky sem neodolall....



2010/12/23 Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>:
> Ahojte!
>
> Trochu sme sa bavili na IRC o PFkach a zrodil sa mi v hlave napad.
Poskadlil
> som Inkscape a po par minutach som vyprodukoval toto:
>
> http://brmlab.cz/_media/brmpf.png (SVGcko je v /promote sekcii).
>
> Nie je to uplne dokonale, par zmien by si to ziadalo, ale ako je u nas
> zvykom, ze docasne veci sa stavaju trvalymi, tak s tym idem do eteru
radsej
> uz teraz. Ak mate cas a chut to zmenit, tak do toho!
>
> PS: Prajem Vam a tym vlastne aj celemu nasmu hekrspejsu, nech sa nam v
> dalsom roku dari, aspon tak ako v tomto, bolo fakt uzasne sledovat to
> nadsenie a aktivitu! A este aby ste pocas sviatkov nezabudli, ze existuje
aj
> svet mimo pocitaca. Teda aspon ked som ho naposledy kontroloval tak tam
este
> bol :-).
>
> --
> Best Regards / S pozdravom,
>
> Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>



From sargonout at gmail.com  Fri Dec 24 08:38:50 2010
From: sargonout at gmail.com (Tomislav Arnaudov)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 08:38:50 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] =?iso-8859-1?q?M=E9ri_Iksmas?=
In-Reply-To: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHIEMGDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
References: <AANLkTimX9Yu=fu=f1NaiDZ_7hKSvh9CQd+v+BRgZ65z_@mail.gmail.com>
	<BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHIEMGDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimrZhdLak2432enSvYFvP9oeymazRcik+qbaW-b@mail.gmail.com>

zaujmavy priklad ... je to spravne vypocitane ? :)
odpor (ohm) - vodivost (siemens)
P-822.5 - 0.001215805
F-783.5 - 0.001276324
2-2350  - 0.000425532
0-705    - 0.00141844
1-940    - 0.00106383
1-940    - 0.00106383
vysledna vosivost - 0.006463761
vysledny odpor - 154.708690498

Sargon

2010/12/24 George Blackhead <blackhead at blackhead.cz>

> Zapojils to hezky paralelne ke zdroji, tak mi za domaci ukol spocitej, jako
> bude celkovej odpor, kdyz budou vsechny rezistory hodnoty 470 Ohmu... :-)
>
>
> A ja taky preju vsem Br-magum a Br-mackam PF do toho novyho...
> 50 46 07 DB
> A prijemny a krasny Vanoce, kapra bez kosti a bezednej salat.
>
> Tesim se na dalsi uzasne projekty a dalsi vylepseni a napady v nasi
> laborce...
> Dekuju Vam vsem za dobrou atmosferu a podporu.
> Blackhead
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz [mailto:brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz]On Behalf
> Of
> jakub hybler
> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 6:34 PM
> To: Brmlab: Hackerspace Prague (main discussion)
> Subject: Re: [Brmlab] M?ri Iksmas
>
>
> taky sem neodolall....
>
>
>
> 2010/12/23 Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>:
> > Ahojte!
> >
> > Trochu sme sa bavili na IRC o PFkach a zrodil sa mi v hlave napad.
> Poskadlil
> > som Inkscape a po par minutach som vyprodukoval toto:
> >
> > http://brmlab.cz/_media/brmpf.png (SVGcko je v /promote sekcii).
> >
> > Nie je to uplne dokonale, par zmien by si to ziadalo, ale ako je u nas
> > zvykom, ze docasne veci sa stavaju trvalymi, tak s tym idem do eteru
> radsej
> > uz teraz. Ak mate cas a chut to zmenit, tak do toho!
> >
> > PS: Prajem Vam a tym vlastne aj celemu nasmu hekrspejsu, nech sa nam v
> > dalsom roku dari, aspon tak ako v tomto, bolo fakt uzasne sledovat to
> > nadsenie a aktivitu! A este aby ste pocas sviatkov nezabudli, ze existuje
> aj
> > svet mimo pocitaca. Teda aspon ked som ho naposledy kontroloval tak tam
> este
> > bol :-).
> >
> > --
> > Best Regards / S pozdravom,
> >
> > Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Brmlab mailing list
> > Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> > http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
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From klusacek at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz  Fri Dec 24 13:08:41 2010
From: klusacek at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (David Klusacek)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 13:08:41 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] =?utf-8?q?M=C3=A9ri_Iksmas?=
In-Reply-To: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHIEMGDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
References: <AANLkTimX9Yu=fu=f1NaiDZ_7hKSvh9CQd+v+BRgZ65z_@mail.gmail.com>
	<BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHIEMGDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
Message-ID: <20101224120841.GC623@localhost.dummy.net>



> A ja taky preju vsem Br-magum a Br-mackam PF do toho novyho...
> 50 46 07 DB

No tedy jak muze byt Commodorista (C64) big-endian, to nepochopim ;)



From stick at gk2.sk  Fri Dec 24 16:35:13 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 16:35:13 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking - gitorious repo
Message-ID: <4D14BDB1.3020606@gk2.sk>

Hi Laser hackers!

I forked code from Felipe's home repo and put it into brmlab gitorious:

http://gitorious.org/brmlab/laser

I rewrote most of the code and put it into separate reusable classes 
(mostly inspired by Czestmyr's work) - these could be later shipped as a 
separate python module. All examples are in the root and use 
LaserDisplay.create() factory method. This will read "LASER" environment 
variable and if it is not set, simulator is created. If it is set to 
"local" it will try to connect to local USB device. If it contains 
string in format "remote:host" or "remote:host:port" it will connect to 
laser server running on machine "host" on default port or "port" port. 
There are two server - server-hadrware which uses the real hardware and 
server-emulator which uses emulator. File server-svglaser is used only 
for WebUI. Two examples are not yet working - pong and spaceship, I will 
dig into them soon (both are in _depot directory). I thought no one is 
crazy as I am to commit on Xmas, but I see there are some new commits by 
Czestmyr, so I will merge them as well.

PS: If you are not a member of brmlab gitorious group (which has commit 
rights to all repos) and want to be added, just send me your gitorious 
username ...

PPS: More precise documentation will come soon(TM) in form of README 
files and comments in examples. Also I'll put License headers in all 
source files ...

-- 
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>


From blackhead at blackhead.cz  Fri Dec 24 16:39:32 2010
From: blackhead at blackhead.cz (George Blackhead)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 16:39:32 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Meri Iksmas
In-Reply-To: <20101224120841.GC623@localhost.dummy.net>
Message-ID: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHIEMHDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>

Brm brm... Little-endian, big-endian, hlavne ze to nekdo pochopil.
Tohle by slo hur:
55 45 59 79 4D 44 45 77

Ale taky to neni nic nemoznyho.
:-)

Hlavne ze te to pobavilo... ;-)
BH

-----Original Message-----
From: brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz [mailto:brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz]On Behalf Of
David Klusacek
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 1:09 PM
To: Brmlab: Hackerspace Prague (main discussion)
Subject: Re: [Brmlab] Meri Iksmas




> A ja taky preju vsem Br-magum a Br-mackam PF do toho novyho...
> 50 46 07 DB

No tedy jak muze byt Commodorista (C64) big-endian, to nepochopim ;)

_______________________________________________
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Brmlab at brmlab.cz
http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab



From juca at members.fsf.org  Fri Dec 24 16:47:06 2010
From: juca at members.fsf.org (Felipe Sanches)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 13:47:06 -0200
Subject: [Brmlab] Laser Hacking - gitorious repo
In-Reply-To: <4D14BDB1.3020606@gk2.sk>
References: <4D14BDB1.3020606@gk2.sk>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimqn6cPtJkCbP51GB8+PfkYwFtb+Hhu43tD7uVB@mail.gmail.com>

> PS: If you are not a member of brmlab gitorious group (which has commit
> rights to all repos) and want to be added, just send me your gitorious
> username ...

http://gitorious.org/~juca
juca at members.fsf.org


From pasky at ucw.cz  Sat Dec 25 00:48:45 2010
From: pasky at ucw.cz (Petr Baudis)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 00:48:45 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Samolepky
In-Reply-To: <4D149EEE.6060101@gk2.sk>
References: <1012240801510D.31505@sap.private.fio.cz>
	<4D145D81.2020601@ruza.eu> <20101224111832.GS9230@machine.or.cz>
	<4D149EEE.6060101@gk2.sk>
Message-ID: <20101224234845.GU9230@machine.or.cz>

  Ahoj!

On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 02:23:58PM +0100, Pavol Rusnak wrote:
> Takisto ako je to so samolepkami? Ja napr. vobec neviem
> kolko ktora stoji a na wiki to prepdokladam tiez nie je ...
> (poprosim upravit sekciu Stickers v /promote)

  Trochu jsme o tom mluvili v utery, ale v brmlabu byl malokdo.

  Samolepky jsou aktualne v jednom z regalu ve velke mistnosti a je u
nich velky papir s navodem. Ve strucnosti, vyrobni cena jednoho archu
je 50Kc. Muzete si vzit bud cely arch, nebo si odstrihnout jen
podmnozinu nalepek, ktere vyuzijete; nalepky jde z archu bez nuzek
odlepovat po jedne, v archu je jedna velka, nekolik strednich a jeste
vic malych. Kdyz si vezmete nalepky, dobrovolny dar vhodte do kasicky
v bufetu.

  Samolepek jsme vyrobili celkem 50 archu, 25 bilo-modrych a 25
cerno-bilych.

				Petr "Pasky" Baudis


From klusacek at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz  Sun Dec 26 17:30:12 2010
From: klusacek at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (David Klusacek)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 17:30:12 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Meri Iksmas
In-Reply-To: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHIEMHDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
References: <20101224120841.GC623@localhost.dummy.net>
	<BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHIEMHDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
Message-ID: <20101226163012.GB19735@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>



> Brm brm... Little-endian, big-endian, hlavne ze to nekdo pochopil.
> Tohle by slo hur:
> 55 45 59 79 4D 44 45 77

Asi se dam podat. Jako text je to UEYyMDEw, coz mi nedava smysl, zkousel
jsem to disassemblovat (6502, Z80, 6510, i386, ARM, ARM/thumb) a ani to
nedavalo smysl, EBCDIC ani jiny kodovani co zna linux to taky neni, nejaka
jednoducha substitucni sifra to tez neni, jeste tak by se to mozna dalo
povazovat za 2 UTC casy v bigendian zapisu, coz dava datumy
 2015.5.3. 1:10:49 SEL? a
 2011.1.29.17:51:03 SE?
ovsem na nich taky nic zvlastniho nevidim. 

Doufam ze se ted dovim ze to byl bytecode javy ;)



From blackhead at blackhead.cz  Sun Dec 26 19:01:31 2010
From: blackhead at blackhead.cz (George Blackhead)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 19:01:31 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Meri Iksmas
In-Reply-To: <20101226163012.GB19735@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>
Message-ID: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHAEMPDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>

Fajn, je to UEYyMDEw. Zkus BASE64. ;-)


-----Original Message-----
From: brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz [mailto:brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz]On
Behalf Of David Klusacek
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 5:30 PM
To: Brmlab: Hackerspace Prague (main discussion)
Subject: Re: [Brmlab] Meri Iksmas




> Brm brm... Little-endian, big-endian, hlavne ze to nekdo pochopil.
> Tohle by slo hur:
> 55 45 59 79 4D 44 45 77

Asi se dam podat. Jako text je to UEYyMDEw, coz mi nedava smysl, zkousel
jsem to disassemblovat (6502, Z80, 6510, i386, ARM, ARM/thumb) a ani to
nedavalo smysl, EBCDIC ani jiny kodovani co zna linux to taky neni, nejaka
jednoducha substitucni sifra to tez neni, jeste tak by se to mozna dalo
povazovat za 2 UTC casy v bigendian zapisu, coz dava datumy
 2015.5.3. 1:10:49 SEL? a
 2011.1.29.17:51:03 SE?
ovsem na nich taky nic zvlastniho nevidim.

Doufam ze se ted dovim ze to byl bytecode javy ;)

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From klusacek at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz  Sun Dec 26 19:38:25 2010
From: klusacek at atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (David Klusacek)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 19:38:25 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Meri Iksmas
In-Reply-To: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHAEMPDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
References: <20101226163012.GB19735@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>
	<BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHAEMPDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
Message-ID: <20101226183825.GA2601@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>



> Fajn, je to UEYyMDEw. Zkus BASE64. ;-)

PF2010 ;) Jak jsem mohl zapomenout na uudecode....




From pasky at ucw.cz  Tue Dec 28 03:38:00 2010
From: pasky at ucw.cz (Petr Baudis)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 03:38:00 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Datasheet-to-English Translator
In-Reply-To: <20101222024411.GZ9230@machine.or.cz>
References: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHKELFDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>
	<4D09221F.6030106@ruza.eu>
	<AANLkTiny+M5h=vDdxgPzjnL8kmhe+QBM-NEnzLt=Vdg0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101222024411.GZ9230@machine.or.cz>
Message-ID: <20101228023800.GD9230@machine.or.cz>

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 03:44:11AM +0100, Petr Baudis wrote:
> poppler-0.15.3 + bug 27290 fix + pdftohtml -c -zoom + google translate
> can do a pretty neat job:
> 
> 	http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpasky.or.cz%2F~pasky%2Fcp%2Fjunk%2Fstc%2Fstc89c52rc.html
> 
> 
> Sure, it's not perfect, but hope it helps a bit anyway. (With the whole
> datasheet on single page, Google refuses to translate more than just the
> first few pages.)
> 
> 
> PS: BTW, if someone is interested, offering such "brm-show me chinese
> datasheet" web service would be a pretty neat hack - dealing with them
> is pain for a lot of people now I guess. If someone is willing to do
> the coding, I can explain exactly how to do the conversion and have
> a server to run it on.

  I couldn't sleep tonight so here is something very rudimental:

	http://datasheet-en.or.cz/

  Example:

	http://tinyurl.com/2bbq6o7

  Hope someone finds it useful. (You can also advertise it on 27C3 a bit
too, if you want! :-) (You can link to http://log.or.cz/?p=110.)

  Nite,

-- 
				Petr "Pasky" Baudis
Computer science education cannot make an expert programmer any more
than studying brushes and pigment can make an expert painter. --esr


From ruza at ruza.eu  Tue Dec 28 13:38:47 2010
From: ruza at ruza.eu (Pavel Ruzicka)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:38:47 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Fwd: [announce] thc-ipv6 v1.4 and thc-hydra 5.9 are now
	available!
Message-ID: <4D19DA57.8050007@ruza.eu>

http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/Fahrplan/events/3957.en.html

-------- Original Message --------
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:32:08 +0000
From: members-noreply at thc.org
To: announce at lists.segfault.net
Subject: [announce] thc-ipv6 v1.4 and thc-hydra 5.9 are now available!

Folks,

thc-ipv6 1.4 and thc-hydra 5.9 are now available as a special x-mas release!

http://freeworld.thc.org/thc-ipv6
http://freeworld.thc.org/thc-hydra


Keep hacking,

The Hackers Choice
http://www.thc.org


From pasky at ucw.cz  Tue Dec 28 15:15:53 2010
From: pasky at ucw.cz (Petr Baudis)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 15:15:53 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Tricka
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinySQ==8LP=4A3tG9AJGy+ag69ppMLOjV8GavWx@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinySQ==8LP=4A3tG9AJGy+ag69ppMLOjV8GavWx@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101228141553.GL9230@machine.or.cz>

  Ahoj!

On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 08:59:04PM +0100, Pavol Rusnak wrote:
> Rozmyslali sme o tom, ze by sme chceli spravit dalsiu varku triciek.
> Bol by zaujem? A ak ano tak ake velkosti?

  Nova varka tricek je uz nejakou dobu v brmlabu, bohuzel jsem byl tak
vytizeny, ze jsem to nezvladl nijak odannouncovat. V tuhle chvili jsou
vsechna tricka na vylete v Berline, zpatky budou od 31.12. vcetne a snad
nekdo napise sumarizaci naseho trickoveho skladu.

  Kdo jste meli specialni prani co se tyce barvy tricka, obavam se, ze
jsme nezvladli to pri rozdavani tricek prilis trackovat, doufam, ze na
Vas jeste tricko Vasi barvy ceka. Pokud jste si sve obarvene tricko
jeste nevyzvedli, pripiste se prosim do trickove sekce [[promote]]
na wiki, jinak se muze stat, ze tricko si vezme nekdo jiny.

  Pekne mezisvatci,

				Petr "Pasky" Baudis


From chidori at emptytriangle.com  Tue Dec 28 23:52:18 2010
From: chidori at emptytriangle.com (Radka Haneckova)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 23:52:18 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] sklad
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=2y1hvvSgpZG_VS6ZsDJiCmKqzgjdUJ7kRZa1G@mail.gmail.com>

Ahojte,

inventarizovala som sklad. Zoznam veci ktore sa v nom momentalne
nachadzaju najdete na sargon:~brmlab/brmsklad/ v podobe gnumeric
tabulky - je to docasne riesenie, kedze zatial ziaden equipment
management system nemame, ale nemal by byt problem zoznam don portnut
az nejaky bude. Vsetky predmety (hardware, krabice, etc) v sklade maju
niekde na sebe nalepene evidencne cislo (brm1 - brm100) a pridelenu
policu na ktorej ich najdete (SKLAD1-SKLAD15). V zozname najdete aj
kratke popisky predmetov, ktore su miestami dost rudimentarne -
nevahajte doplnit, pretriedit a pripadne opravit :)
Aby sklad sluzil vsetkym, je dolezite don veci vracat na spravne
police. Ak chcete pridavat nove veci do skladu, poctivo ich pripisujte
do tabulky! Stitky na oznacenie evidencnym cislom su v modrej krabicke
na okenici.
Ak som omylom naskladnila nieco co nieje brmlabie ale niekoho sukromny
majetok, ospravedlnujem sa a nieje problem to dodatocne z evidencie a
zo skladu odstranit.
Happy hacking! :)

chido

-- 
"It is not birth, marriage, or death, but gastrulation which is truly
the most important time in your life."? ? Lewis Wolpert


From ruza at ruza.eu  Wed Dec 29 14:03:36 2010
From: ruza at ruza.eu (Pavel Ruzicka)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 14:03:36 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] All colors are beautiful
Message-ID: <4D1B31A8.6030905@ruza.eu>

kdo ste tu v Berline na 27c3 tak jste v Lounge potkali svetelnou
instalaci mnichovskeho CCC, projektu s nazvem All colors are beautiful:

acab at 27c3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8532EnL4G-U
kreslici rozhrani: http://81.163.62.30/acab/

projekt page: http://acab.muc.ccc.de/
CCC Muenchen: http://muc.ccc.de/

-- 
e-mail:  ruza at ruza.eu
www:   http://ruza.eu
     http://brmlab.cz


From jakub.hybler at gmail.com  Wed Dec 29 14:15:52 2010
From: jakub.hybler at gmail.com (jakub hybler)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 14:15:52 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] All colors are beautiful
In-Reply-To: <4D1B31A8.6030905@ruza.eu>
References: <4D1B31A8.6030905@ruza.eu>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikTfP3j_ANj+3DpL3L_QF914dHCM4RZWX3GjujJ@mail.gmail.com>

jojo,
potesilo mi to!!!

2010/12/29 Pavel Ruzicka <ruza at ruza.eu>

> kdo ste tu v Berline na 27c3 tak jste v Lounge potkali svetelnou
> instalaci mnichovskeho CCC, projektu s nazvem All colors are beautiful:
>
> acab at 27c3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8532EnL4G-U
> kreslici rozhrani: http://81.163.62.30/acab/
>
> projekt page: http://acab.muc.ccc.de/
> CCC Muenchen: http://muc.ccc.de/
>
> --
> e-mail:  ruza at ruza.eu
> www:   http://ruza.eu
>     http://brmlab.cz
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
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From niekt0 at hysteria.sk  Wed Dec 29 16:37:45 2010
From: niekt0 at hysteria.sk (niekt0)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 16:37:45 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] sklad
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=2y1hvvSgpZG_VS6ZsDJiCmKqzgjdUJ7kRZa1G@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=2y1hvvSgpZG_VS6ZsDJiCmKqzgjdUJ7kRZa1G@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinN8zQQfogHvC9JeTZOee=O8Z2izqbtk8-FfPKJ@mail.gmail.com>

Dostanes poschvalu pred nastartovanou vetrieskou!;)

Musime pohnut s ciarovymi kodmi, nech to konecne mozeme rozumne upratat.

n.

On 12/28/10, Radka Haneckova <chidori at emptytriangle.com> wrote:
> Ahojte,
>
> inventarizovala som sklad. Zoznam veci ktore sa v nom momentalne
> nachadzaju najdete na sargon:~brmlab/brmsklad/ v podobe gnumeric
> tabulky - je to docasne riesenie, kedze zatial ziaden equipment
> management system nemame, ale nemal by byt problem zoznam don portnut
> az nejaky bude. Vsetky predmety (hardware, krabice, etc) v sklade maju
> niekde na sebe nalepene evidencne cislo (brm1 - brm100) a pridelenu
> policu na ktorej ich najdete (SKLAD1-SKLAD15). V zozname najdete aj
> kratke popisky predmetov, ktore su miestami dost rudimentarne -
> nevahajte doplnit, pretriedit a pripadne opravit :)
> Aby sklad sluzil vsetkym, je dolezite don veci vracat na spravne
> police. Ak chcete pridavat nove veci do skladu, poctivo ich pripisujte
> do tabulky! Stitky na oznacenie evidencnym cislom su v modrej krabicke
> na okenici.
> Ak som omylom naskladnila nieco co nieje brmlabie ale niekoho sukromny
> majetok, ospravedlnujem sa a nieje problem to dodatocne z evidencie a
> zo skladu odstranit.
> Happy hacking! :)
>
> chido
>
> --
> "It is not birth, marriage, or death, but gastrulation which is truly
> the most important time in your life."? ? Lewis Wolpert
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
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From suchan.tomas at gmail.com  Wed Dec 29 18:33:41 2010
From: suchan.tomas at gmail.com (Tomas Suchan)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:33:41 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] sklad
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinN8zQQfogHvC9JeTZOee=O8Z2izqbtk8-FfPKJ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=2y1hvvSgpZG_VS6ZsDJiCmKqzgjdUJ7kRZa1G@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinN8zQQfogHvC9JeTZOee=O8Z2izqbtk8-FfPKJ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=h36zV4CcCv4CBwMMsSr4D_6eVGCKUcseOZe_9@mail.gmail.com>

Jojo, hodne si se nadrela, dobra prace....
Dne 29.12.2010 16:37 "niekt0" <niekt0 at hysteria.sk> napsal(a):
> Dostanes poschvalu pred nastartovanou vetrieskou!;)
>
> Musime pohnut s ciarovymi kodmi, nech to konecne mozeme rozumne upratat.
>
> n.
>
> On 12/28/10, Radka Haneckova <chidori at emptytriangle.com> wrote:
>> Ahojte,
>>
>> inventarizovala som sklad. Zoznam veci ktore sa v nom momentalne
>> nachadzaju najdete na sargon:~brmlab/brmsklad/ v podobe gnumeric
>> tabulky - je to docasne riesenie, kedze zatial ziaden equipment
>> management system nemame, ale nemal by byt problem zoznam don portnut
>> az nejaky bude. Vsetky predmety (hardware, krabice, etc) v sklade maju
>> niekde na sebe nalepene evidencne cislo (brm1 - brm100) a pridelenu
>> policu na ktorej ich najdete (SKLAD1-SKLAD15). V zozname najdete aj
>> kratke popisky predmetov, ktore su miestami dost rudimentarne -
>> nevahajte doplnit, pretriedit a pripadne opravit :)
>> Aby sklad sluzil vsetkym, je dolezite don veci vracat na spravne
>> police. Ak chcete pridavat nove veci do skladu, poctivo ich pripisujte
>> do tabulky! Stitky na oznacenie evidencnym cislom su v modrej krabicke
>> na okenici.
>> Ak som omylom naskladnila nieco co nieje brmlabie ale niekoho sukromny
>> majetok, ospravedlnujem sa a nieje problem to dodatocne z evidencie a
>> zo skladu odstranit.
>> Happy hacking! :)
>>
>> chido
>>
>> --
>> "It is not birth, marriage, or death, but gastrulation which is truly
>> the most important time in your life."    Lewis Wolpert
>> _______________________________________________
>> Brmlab mailing list
>> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
>> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From wilder at trip.sk  Thu Dec 30 17:40:13 2010
From: wilder at trip.sk (Pavol Luptak)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:40:13 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] All colors are beautiful
In-Reply-To: <4D1B31A8.6030905@ruza.eu>
References: <4D1B31A8.6030905@ruza.eu>
Message-ID: <20101230164013.GD19209@core.nethemba.com>

Dalsi zaujimavy projekt podobny MiniPOV3, ale podstatne namakanejsi:

http://www.das-labor.org/wiki/Borg_Ventilator

Video: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-I3tt8SvKA

Pavol

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 02:03:36PM +0100, Pavel Ruzicka wrote:
> kdo ste tu v Berline na 27c3 tak jste v Lounge potkali svetelnou
> instalaci mnichovskeho CCC, projektu s nazvem All colors are beautiful:
> 
> acab at 27c3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8532EnL4G-U
> kreslici rozhrani: http://81.163.62.30/acab/
> 
> projekt page: http://acab.muc.ccc.de/
> CCC Muenchen: http://muc.ccc.de/
> 
> -- 
> e-mail:  ruza at ruza.eu
> www:   http://ruza.eu
>      http://brmlab.cz
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab

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From blackhead at blackhead.cz  Thu Dec 30 18:51:21 2010
From: blackhead at blackhead.cz (George Blackhead)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:51:21 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] All colors are beautiful
In-Reply-To: <20101230164013.GD19209@core.nethemba.com>
Message-ID: <BNEBJCHIKOICJLAPBAPHAENNDKAA.blackhead@blackhead.cz>

Jeste ze neumim nemecky...

-----Original Message-----
From: brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz [mailto:brmlab-bounces at brmlab.cz]On Behalf Of
Pavol Luptak
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 5:40 PM
To: Brmlab: Hackerspace Prague (main discussion)
Cc: general-discussion at lists.progressbar.sk
Subject: Re: [Brmlab] All colors are beautiful


Dalsi zaujimavy projekt podobny MiniPOV3, ale podstatne namakanejsi:

http://www.das-labor.org/wiki/Borg_Ventilator

Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-I3tt8SvKA

Pavol

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 02:03:36PM +0100, Pavel Ruzicka wrote:
> kdo ste tu v Berline na 27c3 tak jste v Lounge potkali svetelnou
> instalaci mnichovskeho CCC, projektu s nazvem All colors are beautiful:
>
> acab at 27c3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8532EnL4G-U
> kreslici rozhrani: http://81.163.62.30/acab/
>
> projekt page: http://acab.muc.ccc.de/
> CCC Muenchen: http://muc.ccc.de/
>
> --
> e-mail:  ruza at ruza.eu
> www:   http://ruza.eu
>      http://brmlab.cz
> _______________________________________________
> Brmlab mailing list
> Brmlab at brmlab.cz
> http://rover.ms.mff.cuni.cz/mailman/listinfo/brmlab

--
_______________________________________________________________
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From pasky at ucw.cz  Fri Dec 31 00:08:19 2010
From: pasky at ucw.cz (Petr Baudis)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 00:08:19 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Silvestr v brmlabu
Message-ID: <20101230230819.GZ9230@machine.or.cz>

  Ahoj!

  Zda se, ze v brmlabu bude na silvestra nejaka akce, ktera ale zda se
neni moc nikym organizovana a to mi dela starosti hlavne v souvislosti
s tim, ze tam zaroven chteji prijit i nebrmlabaci organizujici se na
silvestr.jdem.cz.

  Zaroven jsme se predbezne po opening party domlouvali, ze v brmlabu
uz zadne vetsi party provozovat nebudeme a i v souvislosti s tim mam
ponekud strach o brmlabi equipment atd. (pevne doufam a prosim Vas,
abyste se kazdopadne chovali zodpovedne a moc se neopijeli :-), zvlaste
kdyby nastala treba situace typu "40 navstevniku, 3 brmlabaci".
V soucasnosti vim jen od Axe a Sticka, ze planuji v brmlabu byt,
a zaroven je ohlaseno min. neco jako 1-10 nebrmlabaku. Kdo jeste
v brmlabu budete?

  Take bych rad poprosil ty z Vas, kdo na Silvestra do brmlabu prijdete,
abyste tomu dali trosku nejakou formu, idealne treba udelali na wiki
malou event stranecku; kdyby se Vam chtelo nasetupovat v brmlabu na
silvestrovskou noc i livefeed, bylo by to uplne skvele!

  Happy new-year eve hacking,

-- 
				Petr "Pasky" Baudis
Computer science education cannot make an expert programmer any more
than studying brushes and pigment can make an expert painter. --esr


From stick at gk2.sk  Fri Dec 31 01:08:15 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 01:08:15 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Silvestr v brmlabu
In-Reply-To: <20101230230819.GZ9230@machine.or.cz>
References: <20101230230819.GZ9230@machine.or.cz>
Message-ID: <4D1D1EEF.7060806@gk2.sk>

On 31/12/10 00:08, Petr Baudis wrote:
>   Zda se, ze v brmlabu bude na silvestra nejaka akce, ktera ale zda se
> neni moc nikym organizovana a to mi dela starosti hlavne v souvislosti
> s tim, ze tam zaroven chteji prijit i nebrmlabaci organizujici se na
> silvestr.jdem.cz.

Okay, odchytil som organizatora tejto "partizanskej" akcie na IRC a
vyjasnili sme si par veci. Hlavne to, ze ak budu chciet organizovat
nejaku dalsiu akciu (napr. barcamp), tak sa to vsetko dohodne vcas cez
mailinglist aby bol cas doladit detaily ...

>   Zaroven jsme se predbezne po opening party domlouvali, ze v brmlabu
> uz zadne vetsi party provozovat nebudeme a i v souvislosti s tim mam
> ponekud strach o brmlabi equipment atd. (pevne doufam a prosim Vas,
> abyste se kazdopadne chovali zodpovedne a moc se neopijeli :-), zvlaste
> kdyby nastala treba situace typu "40 navstevniku, 3 brmlabaci".
> V soucasnosti vim jen od Axe a Sticka, ze planuji v brmlabu byt,
> a zaroven je ohlaseno min. neco jako 1-10 nebrmlabaku. Kdo jeste
> v brmlabu budete?

Ax bude v brmlabe do deviatej, ja pridem cca o stvrtej a budem brmlab
davat do formy cca do siedmej - co je aj oficialny zaciatok. Ak mate
chut prist pomoct, tak urcite dorazte, budem vam velmi vdacny. Ak mate
chut prist iba na "zabavu", tak dorazte o 19:00! :-) Cestou do brm
skocim este nakupit nejaku mensiu pyrotechniku, ktoru odpalime na
vhodnom mieste mimo arealu Bubenska (musim spravit este research kde).
Takisto ked vam zvysili nejake dobroty po sviatkoch, doneste ich,
pomlsame si (a ak nie, tak skocime kupit pizzu ci nieco ine na strossa :D)

>   Take bych rad poprosil ty z Vas, kdo na Silvestra do brmlabu prijdete,
> abyste tomu dali trosku nejakou formu, idealne treba udelali na wiki
> malou event stranecku; kdyby se Vam chtelo nasetupovat v brmlabu na
> silvestrovskou noc i livefeed, bylo by to uplne skvele!

Uvidime, co bude v nasich silach. Minimalne nejake fotky ci videa z
nasho miniohnostroja spravime :-) (ked uz magistrat svoj zrusil)

btw, strucna wikipage je na http://brmlab.cz/event/silvester2010 - ak
mate napady, tak dopisujte, dopisujte. A hlavne ak nemate nic ine
naplanovane tak pridte! :-)

-- 
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>


From stick at gk2.sk  Fri Dec 31 03:19:19 2010
From: stick at gk2.sk (Pavol Rusnak)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 03:19:19 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] 27c3 recap
Message-ID: <4D1D3DA7.7080606@gk2.sk>

Ahoj!

Uspesne sme sa obe nase posadky vratili z 27C3, ktora bola jednoducho
UZASNA! Tym nemyslim len prednasky (ako napr. odpocuvanie GSM prevedene
v praxi, prelomenie PS3 klucov ci kopec velmi dobrych lightning talkov)
ale aj to, ze sme ziskali kopec skvelych kontaktov ci informacii! Drviva
vacsina si velmi pochvalovala nas laserovy projekt (za co patri obrovska
vdaka Tomasovi, Felipemu a Czestmyrovi!). Okoloiduci nakreslili laserom
na stenu doslova kilometre ciar a nahrali hodiny laseroveho pongu a
desiatky brmlabackych nalepok teraz zdobia notebooky ci iny equipment po
celom svete (podarilo sa nam dokonca predat 4 tricka! :D). Prekvapivo
nemaly zaujem vzbudil aj Kinect (a to sme nemali pripravene ziadne
vlastne demo, len sme ho mali vylozeny pri laseri a sem-tam ukazovali
RGB a depth data). Par ludi dokonca prislubilo, ze sa v brmlabe urcite
coskoro ukazu (napr. jeden typek z rakuskej akademie vied, kde sa hraju
s lasermi na uplne inej urovni a pouzivaju na vychylovanie laserov
miesto zrkadiel piezoelektricke krystaly, ktore operuju na frekvenciach
v radoch stovkach megaherzov - zrkadla typicky desiatky kilohertzov).
Par fotiek a videi na zachytenie atmosfery sme nahadzali do nasej
chutnej polievky[2].

Hm, ked uz sme pri tom jedle ... Uplna pecka sa podarila haluzne tesne
pred nasim odchodom, ked sa za nami zastavil Frantisek - cech, ktory je
uz dva roky na cestach po svete, pricom posledne mesiace stravil v USA.
Tam sa stal velmi aktivnym clenom znameho hackerspace Noisebridge (uz
sme mali od nich na navsteve Mitcha Altmana), kde zalozil pracovnu
skupinu Tastebridge, ktora sa zaobera tzv. food-hackingom. Jedna sa o
akesi varenie skombinovane s modernymi technologiami a roznymi hratkami
s chutovymi poharikmi. Frantisek pride coskoro do rodneho Ceska na cca 3
mesiace, pricom urcite si naplanuje cestu do Prahy a porozprava nam
nieco o ich hackerspaci a obaja dufame, ze si aj nieco spolocne
ukuchtime, pofoodhackujeme :-)

Samozrejme sme sa nezabudli druzit s nasimi spriatelenymi hackerspacmi v
Bratislave a Budapesti a zhodou okolnosti pocas 27C3ky sa podarilo
Progressbarakom konecne ziskat priestory nie nepodobne nasim (foto[3]),
takze snad coskoro budu mat nejake projekty aj oni.

Toto ma prave v nespavej euforii napadlo, je toho isto viac, ale
potreboval som to teraz rychlo niekam napisat a podelit sa:-) Prosim
vsetkych co boli na 27C3, aby si nasli trosku casu a pokusali sa napisat
co zazili na konferencii oni na nasu wikistranku[4], staci aj heslovite
(na jazyku tiez nezalezi), ked nie ste basnicke crievka, pokusime sa z
toho potom spravit nejaky pekny vycuc, na pamiatku a promo :-)

[1] https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Tastebridge
[2] http://soup.brmlab.cz/
[3] tibor.rainside.sk/cukrova/
[4] http://brmlab.cz/event/27c3

S pokrikom Whuiiiiiiii sa teraz lucim a snad sa uvidime zajtra, teda uhm
dneska a buchneme si nejaku tu raketu ci sampus o polnoci! K???chhhhhht,
k???chht, stick signed off ...

-- 
Best Regards / S pozdravom,

Pavol Rusnak <stick at gk2.sk>


From pasky at ucw.cz  Fri Dec 31 16:31:37 2010
From: pasky at ucw.cz (Petr Baudis)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 16:31:37 +0100
Subject: [Brmlab] Brmdoor Status
Message-ID: <20101231153137.GE9230@machine.or.cz>

  Ahoj!

  Na wiki http://brmlab.cz/project/alarm je kompletni dokumentace
aktualniho stavu projektu brmdoor - v zasade umime odemykat dvere
v ramci LAN nebo pres IRC. Teoreticky by melo fungovat uz i odemykani
pres RFID, ale je zabugovane a je potreba ho odladit. Kazdopadne pokud
mate notebook a pristup na members-only sekci wiki, uz si muzete otevrit
z venku (ale pamatujte, ze je to work in progress).

  Cele je to dost velky hack a fakt, ze je Arduino napojene na Asusi
router, zpusobuje celou radu problemu. Proto se rozhodne vyplati, aby
sargon & spol. rozchodili lepsi seriovou komunikaci atd. :-) Take ta
soustava kontrolnich skriptu je dost divoky hack. Takze jestli se Vam
chce na Silvestra v brmlabu debugovat cteni RFID a dalsi veci, bez obav
do toho. :-)

  Happy hacking,

-- 
				Petr "Pasky" Baudis
Computer science education cannot make an expert programmer any more
than studying brushes and pigment can make an expert painter. --esr